O/T Singapore Scum!

Big A · Dec 2, 2005

I have never seen Australia united as it was today.

To any of you that do not know, today an Australian national was hanged in Singapore.

Australian born Van Nguyen, was a typical, normal young man.
His brother, got involved with the wrong crowd, and he surmounted some debts. He was threatened with harm unless he paid the money back or would do one act as a drug mule. He didn't, but his twin brother Van, wanting to save his brother from harm, decided to smuggle a package of drugs from Cambodia to Australia, as such paying off the brother's debt.

While he was in transit through Singapore airport, travelling between Cambodia and Australia, Van's metal rimmed sun glasses triggerred a metal detector. This subjected him to a search. The drugs were found, he was arrested and eventually sentenced to death.

Regardless of the mitigating circumstances, including that the drugs were not from Singapore or destined for Singapore, he was still sentenced to die!

Every politicain, religious leader, business leader and countless legal minds travelled to Singapore and appealed in every possible way to obtain clemency for Van. The scumbag Singaporean's would not do it.

As such, the poor young soul was hung this morning at 6am local time.

His mother was only allowed to hold his hand before he was killed.
She was not even allowed to give her son a hug!
What kind of animals are these people?

Fuckin' scumbags, lowest lives on this Earth these people!
And if you are Singaporean and offended by what I say, fuck yourself! You voted your fucked up goverment in place who instilled these laws! Bunch of fuckin' dogs!

Actually, I am sorry. Didn't mean to offend dogs. You are much, much lower than that!

I do regularly 7 figure business each year with Singapore.
As of this moment, that has stopped for ever!
Also, with all other business people I know, we are all boycotting Singapore. Fair enough, all of us combined, we only represent about 8 figures annually, but it is a start.
We will not be buying any more Singapore exports, we will never visit that place or even stop in transit through there and we will be boycotting all Singapore products including their Airline.
And we are growing the list of businesses that will immediately stop doing business with anyone in Singapore.

Here Singapore, this is your face of shame:

PHIL HERNON · Dec 2, 2005

YES

Big A said:
I have never seen Australia united as it was today.

To any of you that do not know, today an Australian national was hanged in Singapore.

Australian born Van Nguyen, was a typical, normal young man.
His brother, got involved with the wrong crowd, and he surmounted some debts. He was threatened with harm unless he paid the money back or would do one act as a drug mule. He didn't, but his twin brother Van, wanting to save his brother from harm, decided to smuggle a package of drugs from Cambodia to Australia, as such paying off the brother's debt.

While he was in transit through Singapore airport, travelling between Cambodia and Australia, Van's metal rimmed sun glasses triggerred a metal detector. This subjected him to a search. The drugs were found, he was arrested and eventually sentenced to death.

Regardless of the mitigating circumstances, including that the drugs were not from Singapore or destined for Singapore, he was still sentenced to die!

Every politicain, religious leader, business leader and countless legal minds travelled to Singapore and appealed in every possible way to obtain clemency for Van. The scumbag Singaporean's would not do it.

As such, the poor young soul was hung this morning at 6am local time.

His mother was only allowed to hold his hand before he was killed.
She was not even allowed to give her son a hug!
What kind of animals are these people?

Fuckin' scumbags, lowest lives on this Earth these people!
And if you are Singaporean and offended by what I say, fuck yourself! You voted your fucked up goverment in place who instilled these laws! Bunch of fuckin' dogs!

Actually, I am sorry. Didn't mean to offend dogs. You are much, much lower than that!

I do regularly 7 figure business each year with Singapore.
As of this moment, that has stopped for ever!
Also, with all other business people I know, we are all boycotting Singapore. Fair enough, all of us combined, we only represent about 8 figures annually, but it is a start.
We will not be buying any more Singapore exports, we will never visit that place or even stop in transit through there and we will be boycotting all Singapore products including their Airline.
And we are growing the list of businesses that will immediately stop doing business with anyone in Singapore.

Here Singapore, this is your face of shame:

I WAS FOLLOWING THIS STORY ALL DAY YESTERDAY. TRULY SAD AND DISGUSTING!

HITHARD · Dec 2, 2005

HMMM....

I TRIED TO TYPE SOMETHING TO REPLY TO THIS STORY......I AM LOST FOR WORDS.........DAMN!!!

Just_Joe · Dec 2, 2005

Well

I "had" a business relationship there as well consider them boycotted.
Thanks for the info.

Conan21 · Dec 2, 2005

fuck

was only doing this in fear of what would happen to his brother and the still killed him. absolutely horrible.

Snarf · Dec 2, 2005

The senseless loss of life is tragic. Obviously this man made a tragic mistake and paid the ultimate penalty for that mistake.

However, maybe he should have checked out the punishment for the crime he was committing before he did it. There seems to be no question that he was guilty, and Singapore is simply enforcing its own laws.

I am also guessing that there might have been some better alternatives to solving his problems than smuggling drugs. I wonder if he had taken an ad out in an Australian newspaper saying "Please give me $50,000 to pay off my brother's debts so I don't have to smuggle drugs and be sentenced to die in Singapore" if anyone would donate money? I doubt anyone who is now outraged at his death would have given a dime.

While truly sad, this punishment sends a strong message internationally to would be drug smugglers. If you had to pick a country to smuggle drugs through, I bet Singapre is pretty far down your list now and that is probably exactly the affect they wanted.

A few years ago some spoiled, American brat was going to school in Singapore and got caught vandalising some property (I think it was graffiti). The punishment was a public caning. People were outraged here saying it was barbaric, too severe a punishment, etc. The media was all over it and we had politicians trying to intervene. The end result was the little shit got his caning - probably the best thing that ever happened to him. I am not trying to compare the severity of the two events, but when you are in a foreign country you play by their rules. If you don't like their rules, don't visit that country.

dr. livingstone · Dec 2, 2005

It is obvious that this kid didn't disserve to die. But, how cruel as this may sound, you can not make exceptions for individual cases. A policy stops being a policy when you makes exceptions.The punishment is based on the crime that is committed and the reason why it is done has only limited effect on the sentence.

I can understand your anger but I don't understand why it is focused towards Singapore. Most juridical systems work this way, although the penalties may be lighter in some countries.

Not long from now Tookie Williams will be killed by the American state. Although Tookie killed people and Van Nguyen didn't, Tookie condemned violence after his sentence and did a lot of good for the community. However he will be executed because the US state doesn't make execeptions. So is the jurisdiction of the USA that much different than that of Singapore ?

Just_Joe · Dec 2, 2005

Doc

I am speechless at your response! Tookie Williams took two peoples lives by choice no one made him pull the trigger. If you know the story about those people you would know how much of a tragedy it truly was. Quite frankly that post (sorry if I offend anyone ) takes away from the point Mr. A is trying to make with this thread and the two do not even remotely equate as being the same type of justice.

Glad to be here.

dr. livingstone · Dec 2, 2005

Just_Joe said:
I am speechless at your response! Tookie Williams took two peoples lives by choice no one made him pull the trigger. If you know the story about those people you would know how much of a tragedy it truly was. Quite frankly that post (sorry if I offend anyone ) takes away from the point Mr. A is trying to make with this thread and the two do not even remotely equate as being the same type of justice.

Gald to be here.

Nobody made Van Nguyen smuggle heroin. It was his own choice, just like it was Tookies own choice to kill these people. So for the law they both committed a crime for which they disserve the death penalty. So any anger should be towards those laws, not focused towards the fact that no exception is made for these men.

jawbreakerkid · Dec 2, 2005

I agree with Dr. Livingstone 100%. The law is the law. The punishment does not fit the crime, however, it is the law. Maybe Singapore is onto something, this country is riddled with drug problems, people go to prison, then they get back out and resume their drug activities. Same with rapists, and numerous other criminals. If we were harsher in our laws crime would be greatly reduced. Instead we give people second, third, fourth chances to ruin their lives and the lives of others.

BIGSHERM · Dec 2, 2005

That is ABSURD!!! They are two totally different scenarios...............I am absolutly appauled with singapores govt...........FUCK them!

jawbreakerkid · Dec 2, 2005

so if someone from Iraq came here and raped your wife, said they had no choice but to rape your wife because she looked sexually deprived and on the verge of suicide due to her sexual deprivation, be sent back to his country which has relaxed rape laws (if any at all)?

Now that is an absurd example, however relevant, becuase we must obide by the laws of the country we are in. Steroid laws are absurd, but we make the decision whether to obide by them or not.

ag-guys · Dec 2, 2005

that's is just plain HORRIBLE!

AG
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Vespa103 · Dec 2, 2005

The blame also lies with the foreign nationals own Country

As far as I am concerned if some shit hole Country decideds to execute on of your citizens then your Country needs to intervene

Now I know they don't always intervene but they should

Tell Jerk of Country that you consider executing one of your Citizens an Act of War

Then if they execute him drop a fucking bomb on there ass

Seriously your Goverment State department should have been involved

Yes They suck but why didn't his own Country come to his defense?

Big Ian · Dec 2, 2005

That's some bad shit

Vander_V · Dec 2, 2005

GAD DANM SHAME

This really pisses me off beyond rage its almost like im irrate and disgusted at the same time , these sick ass demonic goverments and leaders fuck singapore and the middle east .

dr. livingstone · Dec 2, 2005

Vespa103 said:
The blame also lies with the foreign nationals own Country

As far as I am concerned if some shit hole Country decideds to execute on of your citizens then your Country needs to intervene

Now I know they don't always intervene but they should

Tell Jerk of Country that you consider executing one of your Citizens an Act of War

Then if they execute him drop a fucking bomb on there ass

Seriously your Goverment State department should have been involved

Yes They suck but why didn't his own Country come to his defense?

So you are saying every time the USA executes a foreigner they should be bombed ? Or does it only work the other way around ?

Extreme · Dec 2, 2005

I'm not so sure...

I have a very good friend who resides in Singapore, my Dad and Sister have both paid him a visit over the past 2 years, returning impressed with how clean and virtually crime free the city was. Now if you enter another country you must abide by their rules. If not then obviously there is a penalty to be paid. Surely with all the press over the years about the harsh penalties paid by drug smugglers you would have a solid idea on what risks you were taking! Then you have to assess whether the gamble was worth it... if not then don't do it. If you do then you know what to expect.

I sit on the fence whether death was right or wrong, but what I do know is if he had gotten away with it many more lives would have been effected... in a negative dire sense. After Shapel Corby's ordeal - which we are all more than familar with - you would have to be crazy to put your life on the line to smuggle anything in or out of these countries. Yet people have this false sense of security, believing they will be the ones to get away with it!

Come now, that is like sticking your head in the sand. Playing with a loaded gun will more than likely end up killing you... as will playing cat and mouse with a system that has a NO DRUGS rule firmly in place. No matter what the reasons there will always be a high risk factor attached, so when caught you can hardly blame the authorities for enforcing their laws. That isn't to say I don't believe he should have been saved and re-taught the dangers of drugs and he might have led a successfully, rewarding life. All I am saying is being harsh on places where crime is low and respect is high may not be the best outlook.

tattoojr · Dec 2, 2005

I'm speechless at the tie ins that this thread has . Iraq, a Gang Killer , what??? I think Big A has the right as a business owner to boycott, and if you mourn what has happened your human, I also beleive that if you get caught doing something illegal you do your own time, no bitchin. All this other stuff is just retoric(sp) and has no place here. J.R.

massmonster32 · Dec 3, 2005

I agree things like this happen right here in good ole mexico you go to jail you dont eat unless someone brings you food. Americans often think we are better than everyone else and try to enforce our values on other countries for some reason. I dont agree we need to clean our own back yard first before looking down on others.

I do not think he should have been put to death but they have diffferent penalties than us. Hopefully at least the debt is at least now foragaven. Just like US in Saudi Arabia/Iraq who is to say that their religion and laws,culture are bad. We have 3 times the crime. Sad indeed I feel for the guys family everyone should be weary of going to singapore though as they show no mercy. MM

Snarf said:
The senseless loss of life is tragic. Obviously this man made a tragic mistake and paid the ultimate penalty for that mistake.

However, maybe he should have checked out the punishment for the crime he was committing before he did it. There seems to be no question that he was guilty, and Singapore is simply enforcing its own laws.

I am also guessing that there might have been some better alternatives to solving his problems than smuggling drugs. I wonder if he had taken an ad out in an Australian newspaper saying "Please give me $50,000 to pay off my brother's debts so I don't have to smuggle drugs and be sentenced to die in Singapore" if anyone would donate money? I doubt anyone who is now outraged at his death would have given a dime.

While truly sad, this punishment sends a strong message internationally to would be drug smugglers. If you had to pick a country to smuggle drugs through, I bet Singapre is pretty far down your list now and that is probably exactly the affect they wanted.

A few years ago some spoiled, American brat was going to school in Singapore and got caught vandalising some property (I think it was graffiti). The punishment was a public caning. People were outraged here saying it was barbaric, too severe a punishment, etc. The media was all over it and we had politicians trying to intervene. The end result was the little shit got his caning - probably the best thing that ever happened to him. I am not trying to compare the severity of the two events, but when you are in a foreign country you play by their rules. If you don't like their rules, don't visit that country.