O/T Singapore Scum!

Big A · Dec 6, 2005

BALDNAZI said:
I remember the kid that was caned for spraying graffiti in Singapore,I wish they had a law like that in the US.If you spit on the street in Singapore,throw garbage on the ground,you will pay for it in some harsh way.And if you smuggle drugs you will be killed.I have no problem with their laws.Look at their major cities,clean,crime free,none of this bullshit we in the US have to deal with everyday.

There are countries in this world where if you steal,you will have your hand cut off.I have no problem with that.Its a fact that stealing,is not done so much in these countries.Who the fuck am I to impose my laws on another sovereign nation?

If you don't like their laws,don't go there,don't live there.

We think we are so great here in America,well I have news for you,It fucking sucks.The crime,3rd world immigration,drugs,the list goes on and on.It will never change because there is no accountability.You kill someone,ohhh its not my fault,its because my parents beat me as a kid,ok you get 15 years.What the fuck?People need to have a sense of responsibility in their actions.In America they do not.Its someone elses fault,someone elses problem.

I tell you what I do...public executions.This Tookie monkey motherfucker,I cut his balls off on national TV.Let people see what happens when you murder 4 people.I guarantee crime would go down exponentialy.The reason the death penalty is not a deterent in this country is because you can appeal 600 times and it takes years before anything happens if at all.

People need to see the harsh reality,and it needs to be done publicly.For example,they are debating now in NY whether to show the full graphic images of September 11th in a memorial display they are planning.Imagine that,debating if they should show WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.They claim that it will make people angry at Muslims,and foster racist views.Are you fucking kidding me?American people need to see what happened on that day,over and over again.They need to feel rage inside,they need to teach it to there children.They need to HATE the people and religion that caused this.

My point is,we live in a sensitized society where lions and lambs live together in a peaceful forest.Reality is far different my friends.I do not feel bad for this kid,I do feel bad for his mother.He knew the penalties involved in that country and took a chance.Wrong place wrong time........

As I said, eye for an eye is good - you murder, rape, abuse, you should be killed.
You break into my house, I will kill you.
You steal my shit, you should have your hand cut off.
That is all good.
All these are morally correct.

But it is morally incorrect to kill someone over drugs!

denntit · Dec 6, 2005

You have to prove that there is no impact my friend. Let me help you. Prove that by transiting, you are in no man's land. Then you prove that you are allowed to do anything illegal in no man's land. Then you prove that there is no impact on your neighbouring countries that has humans in it.

Lets get this right bro. He is not carrying medically helpful drugs. He is carrying health impending drugs. Not even steroids. You take once, you get addicted, your life is fucked up.

It isnt hard for someone who has the courage to traffick so much drugs to understand that, is it?

Big A said:
Dentit, your arguments don't apply. He was caught in no man's land (transit) with drugs that did not originate from Singapore and were not destined for Singapore. There would have been ZERO impact on Singapore.

And your argument that drugs kill - so do cigarettes and alcohol. Just because something is illegal on paper, doesn't make it morally correct.

These are rules of a country. If he drug traffick in Malaysia or USA, the Singapore Government would have no control over it. But you stepped into the airport of Singapore, you have to obey the rules here. That's right. Here is an option for you: take it or leave it.

Big A said:
As I said, eye for an eye is good - you murder, rape, abuse, you should be killed.
You break into my house, I will kill you.
You steal my shit, you should have your hand cut off.
That is all good.
All these are morally correct.

But it is morally incorrect to kill someone over drugs!

IronMike · Dec 6, 2005

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I think the main - and irrefutable - point here is that the war on drugs does not work, has not worked and will not ever work.

Whether that be overt and covert government operations, policing operations, poitical moves, harsh penalties - including the death penalty - have clearly and obviously to all of us not done a bloody thing in stopping the spread of heroin and narcotics addiction. In our part of the world we are now flooded with massive amounts of extremely strong and cheap methamphs and derivatives. In Asia, where they are coming from, this carries the death penalty. Here, heavy sentences are being imposed. But guess what? While demand is high supply will always be there to fill the niche.

So who is the war on and how do you win it when both parties - the suppliers and the users - want to sustain the trade? The only way is to convince one party to stop the trade. And being that the supplier is hardly going to be convinced of that, we either need to look at educating potential and active users or trying some form of harm minimisation.

Also, and here's the thing that bothers me, even in my own country the narcotics trade I would estimate to be at about the equivalent of 50% of our country's GDP. I think in the US it is about 33%. That is a huge proportion of business being done which is not contributing to taxes, infrastructure, the future of communities or public good. A MASSIVE amount of money lining the pockets of suppliers. I'd rather see that money brought into the mainstream so we can all benefit from it - and put some of it to use in helping people stop taking narcotics.

IronMike

PS - an eye for an eye works fine for me - when justice is exacted by the victim (or someone close to them). Retaliating with lethal force is ok depending on the wrong done to you, but a stranger exacting lethal force on someone who has done him no wrong is outside those laws.

Big A · Dec 6, 2005

denntit said:
You have to prove that there is no impact my friend. Let me help you. Prove that by transiting, you are in no man's land. Then you prove that you are allowed to do anything illegal in no man's land. Then you prove that there is no impact on your neighbouring countries that has humans in it.

Lets get this right bro. He is not carrying medically helpful drugs. He is carrying health impending drugs. Not even steroids. You take once, you get addicted, your life is fucked up.

It isnt hard for someone who has the courage to traffick so much drugs to understand that, is it?

As opposed to cigarettes and alcohol??

denntit said:
These are rules of a country. If he drug traffick in Malaysia or USA, the Singapore Government would have no control over it. But you stepped into the airport of Singapore, you have to obey the rules here. That's right. Here is an option for you: take it or leave it.

Agreed there. But, killing a human being over drugs is still immoral! That is the argument here!

Vespa103 · Dec 7, 2005

HE WAS JUST THEMULE

MULE

Remember guys the people actually carrying drugs through airports and customs are Mules

They are not dealers the drugs are not theirs

They are people in desperate need for money who are being used by the actual dealers

When given large amounts of drugs by a dealer their is usually some kind of insurance policy

Cooperation with authorities or running of with the merchandise would cancel that policy which could very well put your loved ones at risk

And Dr Livingston your some kind of fucking Canadian or something

dr. livingstone · Dec 7, 2005

Vespa103 said:
And Dr Livingston your some kind of fucking Canadian or something

I am from the independent state of Vatican City and we don't fuck.

wedge · Dec 7, 2005

100% Agreed Big A

Glad to be AMERICAN! Horrible tradgedy for this young man. God bless him and his family. wedge

Big A said:
As opposed to cigarettes and alcohol??

Agreed there. But, killing a human being over drugs is still immoral! That is the argument here!

Big A · Dec 7, 2005

dr. livingstone said:
I am from the independent state of Vatican City and we don't fuck.

So you are a preist? I didn't think that non religious people can be citizens of Vatican City.
Nice tax haven BTW.

Maverick · Dec 8, 2005

I have been following this thread since Big A originally posted it and I have read and observed everybodies views. There are compelling arguements for both sides but you have to realize while you may or may not agree with a countries laws, if you visit that country you have to abide by them. Maany americans (myself included) at times take out way of life here for granted and we sometimes fail to realize how lucky we really have, or in some peoples opinons dont have it.

Whatver your feeling on this subject matter is, the point that this all comes down to is that if you dont like it dont go to singapore but just becuase your from the US, england, austrialia or any other free country doesnt give you the right to just walk into any country you want, do what you please, and think its ok.

Whether the guy deserved to be hung or didnt is not the point. Point is he knew the penalty if he was caught in singapore and chose to smuggle anyway. He took his chances and his luck ran out.

Mav