hygetropin and yellow tops

[RV63T]

what is the defferance in yellow tops and hygetropins if any.
also i have seen blues an greens for 150 for 100ius and some hygetropin for300 for 100ius. is the hygetropin pharm,grade?

 

[Pumped1]

i am guessing they are twice as good? all i have used are blues....

 

[GoneForever]

They are not twice as good. This is such bullshit. Just like some say you can use 1/2 the amount of serostims v.s. blues. Try using 4iu's of blues per day for 6months and then switch to 2iu's of sero's. Unless your blues are fake, you will notice a big loss of gains.

 

[Pumped1]

good to know
i love saving money !

 

[jm425]

There isn't a huge difference between generics and pharm grade. However the problem arises because with generics, it's hit or miss even if you trust your source.

 

[123cctv]

There isn't a huge difference between generics and pharm grade. However the problem arises because with generics, it's hit or miss even if you trust your source.

Plan on FDA pharm grade offering twice the potency to generic blues, and still more than half the potency to yellows/greens.
Having used Nordipen, Genetropin and Humatrope prescript (Humatrope still in the fridge, but taken in much lower doses) and currently using GenHeal and GenSci (the real stuff), I can tell you when I break open one of the other types (blues, yellow/greens), they simply don't compare, nor do I desire them.
However if I were to have to pick amoung the 3 colored tops, I'd say blue is least and yellow and green - best.

 

[jm425]

Plan on FDA pharm grade offering twice the potency to generic blues, and still more than half the potency to yellows/greens.
Having used Nordipen, Genetropin and Humatrope prescript (Humatrope still in the fridge, but taken in much lower doses) and currently using GenHeal and GenSci (the real stuff), I can tell you when I break open one of the other types (blues, yellow/greens), they simply don't compare, nor do I desire them.
However if I were to have to pick amoung the 3 colored tops, I'd say blue is least and yellow and green - best.

There isn't any valid article out there that proves that pharm grade is 2x as potent as generics. I've had igf tests done on both pharm grade and generics at the same dose. I noticed nearly 90 point difference which isn't even enough to say that pharm grade is 2x as potent.

 

[123cctv]

There isn't any valid article out there that proves that pharm grade is 2x as potent as generics. I've had igf tests done on both pharm grade and generics at the same dose. I noticed nearly 90 point difference which isn't even enough to say that pharm grade is 2x as potent.

Yeah, a study or article claming such, simply wouldn't exist = Generics (black market) are not recognized as legit.
My comments regard personal experience w/handling and usage. One example in handling - protiens act/react in a particular manner. Noting even the lack of a reaction is a tell-tale sign of potency. For instance, try lightly shaking a bottle of pharm grade Humatrope and you'd swear you're looking at a vail of soap. Then try that with a generic blue, even vigorously, if you're lucky, you might get a bubble or two.

Anyone "in the know", know's this is true.

 

[GoneForever]

I'd be shocked if there was more than a 10% purity diff in pharm GH opposed to 99%of blues.

 

[123cctv]

I'd be shocked if there was more than a 10% purity diff in pharm GH opposed to 99%of blues.

Hopefully bro you do not believe that? Just the difference in price between the blues, yellows and greens should say something when it comes to the quality. You get what you pay for. But when we're talking pharm grade against generics, just compare the disolve rate (reconstitution process) and you'll see a major difference. The pharm grades I use don't even require that you swirl the contents - by the time the BW is gently dispensed, they're ready. Not so with any generic.
Again, if quality was as close as 10%, reconstitution between these would be hard to detect,...yet they're like night and day.

 

[EasyEJL]

You get what you pay for.

not true in this scenario, as a majority of what you are paying for with the fda approved pharma brand is the fda testing costs, and advertising.

 

[123cctv]

not true in this scenario, as a majority of what you are paying for with the fda approved pharma brand is the fda testing costs, and advertising.

I compared prices between the generics (please re-read). Any FDA product would be silly to compare with the black market.
By the way, since were on it - China pinches pennies BIG time and that savings is passed on. In other words, if one GH cost more than another - there's gona be a good reason why!

 

[jm425]

Yeah, a study or article claming such, simply wouldn't exist = Generics (black market) are not recognized as legit.
My comments regard personal experience w/handling and usage. One example in handling - protiens act/react in a particular manner. Noting even the lack of a reaction is a tell-tale sign of potency. For instance, try lightly shaking a bottle of pharm grade Humatrope and you'd swear you're looking at a vail of soap. Then try that with a generic blue, even vigorously, if you're lucky, you might get a bubble or two.

Anyone "in the know", know's this is true.

Bro, reread please. The only true way of measuring how potent gh is, is by going to get a test for igf levels.

 

[RV63T]

well i guess there isnt much defferance in yellow tops or hygetropin. unless one is pharm grade. ok i think ill try the hygetropin from a sponsor only 25 bucks defferance.

 

[BBkingpin]

Hopefully bro you do not believe that? Just the difference in price between the blues, yellows and greens should say something when it comes to the quality. You get what you pay for. But when we're talking pharm grade against generics, just compare the disolve rate (reconstitution process) and you'll see a major difference. The pharm grades I use don't even require that you swirl the contents - by the time the BW is gently dispensed, they're ready. Not so with any generic.
Again, if quality was as close as 10%, reconstitution between these would be hard to detect,...yet they're like night and day.

That may be like saying fda approved BTG brand var is more potent than oxandrolone powder from China. Probably not worth paying 10x more for BTG.

 

[123cctv]

That may be like saying fda approved BTG brand var is more potent than oxandrolone powder from China. Probably not worth paying 10x more for BTG.

I'd never pay even 2x more. And since we're on it, with a really good China supplier, you can now get GenSci HGH, still in its original box, sealed w/verifiable sticker and embedded fibers (yeah, real fibers, not printed) @ 3.8-4.00 an IU.

I say the extra cost (one or two bucks more per IU) is worth it! ::ction-sm
PLEASE do not PM for sources! I do not know any.

 

[MiteyMite]

I'd never pay even 2x more. And since we're on it, with a really good China supplier, you can now get GenSci HGH, still in its original box, sealed w/verifiable sticker and embedded fibers (yeah, real fibers, not printed) @ 3.8-4.00 an IU.

Yeah, I saw it for $400/100iu's yesterday. Can't see paying that much IMO.

 

[ericraven2003]

I'd never pay even 2x more. And since we're on it, with a really good China supplier, you can now get GenSci HGH, still in its original box, sealed w/verifiable sticker and embedded fibers (yeah, real fibers, not printed) @ 3.8-4.00 an IU.

Yeah, I saw it for $400/100iu's yesterday. Can't see paying that much IMO.

Exactly
I have had fantastic results with blues , greens and yellow which can be had for around 150 for 100ius. There is no way I would pay 400 for same just to get name brand. If you get great results with the generics, it makes no sense to spend that much more.

 

[123cctv]

OK, I've been trying to dance around a few issues, which if addressed, all require lengthy responses (something I try to avoid). All I want is to help people and if that's not happening, then I lose interest real fast. Anyhow with that said,...you mentioned:

Exactly
I have had fantastic results with blues , greens and yellow

Results, including strength/potency are extremely hard to detect when comparing blues/yellows/greens. Yet it can be done (explained below). But to compare these generics to even GenSci, is a waste of time as there simply is no comparison. First, No, none of these generics originate at GenSci as some suppliers claim. That sales pitch is ridiculous and any China resident knows better. Of course, US citizens buy into this hook, line and sinker.

With that said, next, an understanding of GH is required. For instance, you said,

There is no way I would pay 400 for same just to get name brand.

This is not the same = you are not simply receiving the choice of paying for a name brand, yet having the alternative of lower priced, similar quality GH. Yes, GenSci is FDA approved, but GenSci's GH and other non generics far exceed and surpass in strength and as jm425 suggested, an IGF test is not the only means to compare! Let's begin...

1. HGH is a very powerful protein! Why does this matter? How about an example...if I were to sell you a bottle of soap and you decided to shake it up,...what would you think if that shaking produced no bubbles? What if you shook the bottle up vigorously, over and over again and still no bubbles? Pretty weak solution, right? I'd even be considering if it was even soap?!?

This rule applies when it comes to proteins! It's been said, where there's smoke, there's fire! Well, where there's bubbles, there's protein! The flip side of the coin is also true,...No bubbles = No protein!! No protein = No HGH. There is no way around this fact. This is also the very reason why IF you are not careful with GenSci's real HGH, bubbles begin to form in the vial. Does anyone experience this problem with any of the generics?? Now I'm not talking about Hygetropin or GenHeal = legit laboratories, but not FDA approved. However blue, yellow and greens are hell to produce bubbles! Give it a try if you think I'm off on this. I've seen them all...well, let's just say I've seen enough. FYI - I've never been able to produce more than a few (larger size) bubbles in some of these generics by simply giving them a good shake! Nope. However there was one exception - One day, a vial fell from the top of my fridge and impacted on my tile - it smacked so hard I thought it broke. Of course I was shocked to see when I picked it up, that it had numerous bubbles (large and small), however sadly they quickly broke up. The cool thing was, this event offered proof that the vial was not void of protein. HGH?

An brief explanation of the necessary bubbles HGH must have: When proteins exist and are introduced to water/air, stimulation of the solution will cause protein molecules to cluster around newly formed air pockets, thus creating bubbles which remain intact and not quickly/easily dissipate.

Now here's one important point: More protein = more protein molecules, capable of creating more lingering bubbles in varied sizes, even frothy. Less protein = LESS bubbles. No proteins = No bubbles.

Bottom line - by visual examination, we can conclude the existence or even the lack of proteins existent in a particular solution, i.e. HGH in this case.


You also made another good point,

If you get great results with the generics, it makes no sense to spend that much more.

2. Some say they've received nice results using the generics! Great! At least that tells us GH or something similar (IGF-1 even) is in our solution. FYI - IGF-1 is cheaper to manufacture than HGH and will also raise IGF levels (if this is how you chose to test). However just because we're receiving GH benefits, doesn't mean our GH is potent. Low doses of GH will produce results.

In fact, while most of these generics contain HGH, in many cases, there's only trace amounts. Am I saying if I shake up one vial and it produces a vast amount of foam like bubbles and then shake up another and it only produces half the amount, is the second vial 1/2 the potency? Well, all things being equal and as I've understood it, basically YES. Think of it like this (I believe I have done my research properly on this part), one protein molecule is capable of clinging to and retaining an air bubble for a specified duration. While two protein molecules may either cluster to one bubble OR may decide to cling to two different bubbles. This sequence multiplies with the addition of protein, i.e. more protein = more bubbles capable.

We may think we're saving a buck or two per IU, but are we? What if it takes you twice as much to receive the same benefit? What if it's worse?? My research with both script and generic has seemed to suggest for every 1IU of prescription GH I take, 3 to as much as (approx.) 10IU of the generics (depending on which) are required.

So I ask you, are we really saving anything?

3. What I've hated the most about generics is - JUST WHAT THE HELL ARE WE INJECTING?!?! What's most bothersome to me is what's left lingering afterwards! Good brands, not subjected to numerous fillers, merely take a swirl or two (IF ANY) to dissolve. Yet the generics -- take about a minute or so of swirling. My problem? Just what is this stuff that didn't dissolve? Now if you got the answer, then have I got something to sell you! On the other hand, I can tell you what it is not! It is NOT GH protein and that's where you lose me. I'm tempted to create a video showing what is be expected upon reconstitution of pharm grade GH's.

I'll end with this - if you can get FDA approved or a known legit brand of GH for a buck or two more per IU, just the peace of mind (knowing what you're putting into your body) is worth it. Course, as I said, by sticking with generics you're probably already paying way more than you think.

 

[Pumped1]

123cctv, bro if you ever are board i would love to see a video of the phama grade hgh