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that deserves a standing ovation!

Dat do you say not to use slin without gh because of fat gains or something else?

I could post links to a lot of my posts but the two that are easiest to read and THE most informative are:

What does GH contribute to anabolism besides creating IGF-1?

Protein Metabolism - The complementary role of various hormones in inducing Anabolism

You can get by just by reading the bold but I would expect that when you are finished you will have a better understanding then 99.9% of how the following either compliment, detract, or duplicate the actions of other compounds in a protocol because you'll learn exactly what each does and does not do.

Insulin
Growth Hormone
Amino Acid Pool
Exercise
Blood Flow
IGF-1
IGF-1/IGFBP-3
Androgens
Thyroid Hormones​
 
Answer.

Age 25 to 30 you have half the GH levels you had when you were 18. Age 30 to 40 your levels decrease AND the release pulse is less strong. Age 40+ your release pulsation starts to look pretty bad. Age 60+ GH levels have been low for a long time.

The answer is if you are age 25 or older a small to moderate increase is needed to restore GH levels to that of youth.

So you dose GHRH/GHRP every night for the rest of your life.

Hunger problems? Just use a tiny bit of GHRP-6 w/ more GHRH. As low as 20mcg of GHRP-6 w/ 200mcg or 300mcg of GHRH.

Don't want to spend that much money on GHRH, then keep the GHRH dose at 100mcg.

If you are young man and tell me low doses don't do anything. Fuck you! I have 60 year olds who tell me they use just a low dose such as 20mcg of GHRP & GHRH per night and it takes away debilitating pain and does make a difference.

You'll still benefit for LIFE.

But I have answered your question plenty on bodybuilding!!!

Prime w/ GH or GHRH/GHRP or both and when you hit your anabolic cycle increase GH levels substantially during your entire cycle. Carry the higher GH levels into PCT and then as PCT progresses reduce GH levels to prime levels.

There is no magic to it.

Don't want to use both GH & GHRH/GHRP on a cycle then use as much as you can of either.

All of this assumes you are attempting to gain as much mass as you can during a period when your body is primed & ready to grow. You use other compounds in that cycle as well (basic stuff).

This is not the only approach. In fact I prefer a steady everyday approach that still toggles back and forth but does so like an inch-worm not a 20 foot snake.

I'm not a trainer and I recommend Phil Hernon. I also recommend Razor Ripped.

I will never be at their level because they have to babysit details, details details and they get paid jack-shit for doing so.

BUT if you wanted me to tell you EXACTLY what to do to gain as much mass as possible and I was so inclined I would say first you are going to be my bitch for six months.

I'll hook your ass up to IV GH, various insulin protocols, ways to increase both GH receptors & androgen receptors & activity. When you tell me your prostate hurts I'd tell you to shut up.

I'd do blood work, I'd take notes.

I'd fast your ass and put you in mini-rebound states.

Then I'd get medieval on your ass. I'd test out everything I'd want such as the use of methods to get better penetration of a transdermal formula which includes such growth factors as EGF just so I can rejuvenate skin tissue. Think electricity....

I'd do things that may or may not cause cancer just to see what would happen.

Then after six months when you say half my face looks like a 14 year old & the other like a very wrinkled old man...where is the muscle you promised me... I'd inject a viral vector into you that increases the expression of MGF in muscle cells and I would double your muscle mass in 3 months. Double it again in 3 more months.

...or maybe... I'd just say hire Phil, grow steady, stay healthy and enjoy life...

...naw I think I'd build the perfect beast. ...unless the cancer got you first. :)

lol, this is the best post i have read in a while!!!

Dat running the mad scientist role:D
 
I could post links to a lot of my posts but the two that are easiest to read and THE most informative are:

What does GH contribute to anabolism besides creating IGF-1?

Protein Metabolism - The complementary role of various hormones in inducing Anabolism

You can get by just by reading the bold but I would expect that when you are finished you will have a better understanding then 99.9% of how the following either compliment, detract, or duplicate the actions of other compounds in a protocol because you'll learn exactly what each does and does not do.

Insulin
Growth Hormone
Amino Acid Pool
Exercise
Blood Flow
IGF-1
IGF-1/IGFBP-3
Androgens
Thyroid Hormones​


This is some of the most beneficial information in your thread Dat, thank you!

I did have a question regarding the decreased availability of Glutamine when using GH. I have always heard that exo Glutamine was not sufficiently utilized in the body. What do you feel the best form of exo Gluatamine to supplement would be?
 
dat you say don't use slin without gh, is it possible to replace the gh with cjc/ghrp?
 
Dat; could you say a few words more on what you mentioned earlier, specifically..

"MGF will not behave as MGF. There is no mGF receptor. It will bind to the IGF-1 receptor and Peg-MGF likely acts as a better IGF-1. People report large doses working well."

Among my interest in why it wouldn't act like mgf, it is also a LOT cheaper then IGF:D
 
I could post links to a lot of my posts but the two that are easiest to read and THE most informative are:

What does GH contribute to anabolism besides creating IGF-1?

Protein Metabolism - The complementary role of various hormones in inducing Anabolism

You can get by just by reading the bold but I would expect that when you are finished you will have a better understanding then 99.9% of how the following either compliment, detract, or duplicate the actions of other compounds in a protocol because you'll learn exactly what each does and does not do.

Insulin
Growth Hormone
Amino Acid Pool
Exercise
Blood Flow
IGF-1
IGF-1/IGFBP-3
Androgens
Thyroid Hormones​

thanks man
 
dat you say don't use slin without gh, is it possible to replace the gh with cjc/ghrp?

Either way or both.

Usually when I say GH or growth hormone I mean it in a general sense.

When I am referring to 191 amino acid recombinant GH w/ a molecular mass of 22kda I use the term "synthetic GH".

Usually when I am referring to GHRH in any form I use the term GHRH I assume we are talking about modified GRF(1-29) or as some say CJC w/o the DAC. Otherwise if we are referring to Sermorelin I refer to it as Sermorelin and if it is true CJC-1295 then I refer to that as CJC-1295.

The problem is when I first started the thread I had CJC-1295 and assumed others did as well. They did not. So the beginning of the thread focused on CJC-1295. But my protocol was set up to work the same for all forms of GHRH.

If I had it to do over again (and I might change it even now) I would deemphasize CJC-1295 in the early write up and just talk about GHRH in the general sense.

By-the-way I don't care if you read the thread or not. I'll still answer questions you may have. I may not go into nearly as much detail but I'll try to answer them. :)
 
Either way or both.

Usually when I say GH or growth hormone I mean it in a general sense.

When I am referring to 191 amino acid recombinant GH w/ a molecular mass of 22kda I use the term "synthetic GH".

Usually when I am referring to GHRH in any form I use the term GHRH I assume we are talking about modified GRF(1-29) or as some say CJC w/o the DAC. Otherwise if we are referring to Sermorelin I refer to it as Sermorelin and if it is true CJC-1295 then I refer to that as CJC-1295.

The problem is when I first started the thread I had CJC-1295 and assumed others did as well. They did not. So the beginning of the thread focused on CJC-1295. But my protocol was set up to work the same for all forms of GHRH.

If I had it to do over again (and I might change it even now) I would deemphasize CJC-1295 in the early write up and just talk about GHRH in the general sense.

By-the-way I don't care if you read the thread or not. I'll still answer questions you may have. I may not go into nearly as much detail but I'll try to answer them. :)

alright thanks for clarifying man, and i still read your thread bro.
 
Answer.


I'm not a trainer and I recommend Phil Hernon. I also recommend Razor Ripped.

I will never be at their level because they have to babysit details, details details and they get paid jack-shit for doing so.

BUT if you wanted me to tell you EXACTLY what to do to gain as much mass as possible and I was so inclined I would say first you are going to be my bitch for six months.

I'll hook your ass up to IV GH, various insulin protocols, ways to increase both GH receptors & androgen receptors & activity. When you tell me your prostate hurts I'd tell you to shut up.

I'd do blood work, I'd take notes.

I'd fast your ass and put you in mini-rebound states.

Then I'd get medieval on your ass. I'd test out everything I'd want such as the use of methods to get better penetration of a transdermal formula which includes such growth factors as EGF just so I can rejuvenate skin tissue. Think electricity....

I'd do things that may or may not cause cancer just to see what would happen.

Then after six months when you say half my face looks like a 14 year old & the other like a very wrinkled old man...where is the muscle you promised me... I'd inject a viral vector into you that increases the expression of MGF in muscle cells and I would double your muscle mass in 3 months. Double it again in 3 more months.

...or maybe... I'd just say hire Phil, grow steady, stay healthy and enjoy life...

...naw I think I'd build the perfect beast. ...unless the cancer got you first. :)


i think your method sounds enticing :eek: :D
 
Then I'd get medieval on your ass. I'd test out everything I'd want such as the use of methods to get better penetration of a transdermal formula which includes such growth factors as EGF just so I can rejuvenate skin tissue. Think electricity....

I'd do things that may or may not cause cancer just to see what would happen.

That sounded very Pulp Fiction....

"What now? Let me tell you what now. I'ma call a coupla hard, pipe-hittin' n-----s, who'll go to work on the homes here with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. You hear me talkin', hillbilly boy? I ain't through with you by a damn sight. I'ma get medieval on your ass."
:D
 
there is some good info in here
 
dat i hope this WASNT asked on your thread becuase i did skip a couple of pages (17-43ish..) but as you said earlier that you should not take insulin without hgh well i was wondering how big a diff the ratio between the two could be, see if i was poor and wanted to run like 30iu insulin ED how much hgh would you think is needed to have the synergism between the two for anabolism, now this is a random number and i prob wouldn't run insulin that high, but its out of curiosity. Another random number just hit me, 1iu HGH ed what do you think is the maximum amount of insulin you can take until you would need to up the dosage on the HGH so insulin wouldn't go to waste. again sorry if this has been asked before, i flipped through a good amount of your thread though no lie.
 

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