AM-Only D-Bol Bridge

by: Fonz

"I've been reading some of the posts regarding this bridge and some of them are truly from left-field. First of, this is a BRIDGE. OK? a B-R-I-D-G-E.

Your LH function and Test levels are supposed to RECOVER.

Ok, now having said that. Here's the pharmo-kinetics behind Methandrostenelone, brand name Dianabol.

10mg taken at once will increase your average testosterone level by 5 times and decrease your endogeneous cosrtisone by 50-70%.

The reason why dianabol is a good choice for a bridge is that its VERY anti-catabolic. It also dopaminergic. Giving you the benefits of increased CNS strength modulation by its androgenic mode of action. Androgens, in case you don't know, increase neuro-muscular function, thus STRENGTH.

OK. Now, lets delve into the metabolic chemistry behind dianabol's choice as a bridging agent.

When are testosterone levels highest? Answer: In the AM, thats when.

Your body releases a tesosterone spike in the morning. This is when tesosterone levels are highest.

When are Insulin levels lowest? Answer: In the AM thats when.

Low insulin levels=increased protein used as fuel. (Also fat, but protein is also being converted to glucose via glucogenesis)

OK, here is where dball's short half-life works for us (Its 3.2-4.5 hrs btw) Lets take Subject X.

He's in bridging mode. He has just woken up. The body is about to release tesosterone, thus creating a spike. His insulin levels are low. His LH and test levels are very low. He pops 10mgs of dianabol. Here is where things get interesting. The 10mgs of dianabol will cause a testosterone spike WHICH COINCIDES WITH the testosterone released ENDOGENEOUSLY in the AM by the testes.

The body will be partially fooled. It will not entirely detect the increased levels of testosterone (above the normal test sipke), thus LH function WILL REMAIN only partially(Very little actually) suppressed.

In other words, he is "piggy-backing" an extra dose of testosterone on top of the endogeneously reduced one, thus creating an "inflated" test spike.

Henceforth, LH levels WILL BE ALLOWED TO SLOWLY RECOVER over time. Also, dballs anti-catabolic effect will help curb protein-loss in the morning from low insulogenic levels. HOWEVER, and here is where almost all of you go wrong. You CANNOT GO PAST 10mg of dianabol in the AM for this bridge to work!!!! Why? Because of the blood levels of dianabol you would generate.

10mg in the AM will be broken down to 5mg in about 4 hrs (Probably less) 5mg of dianabol, is not enough to cause another rise in testosterone levels after the preceding one. Thus, LH function is allowed to up-regulate.

Anything more(Say 20mgs), will cause a SEDCONDARY testosterone spike which WILL inhibit LH function further, thus not allowing LH function to recover. Oh yeah...100mgs? ROTLMFAO!! Fat chance. The difference between 20mgs and 10mgs means the difference between allowing LH to recover slowly and not allowing it to.

So, here's the scenario summed up: Beginning: LOW LH and test. Adding the 10mgs dball.

LH is allowed to SLOWLY RECOVER over time as testosterone levels are kept at a level which will not cause muscle-loss. Also, dball's anti-catabolic effects will reduce protein degradation. (Via cortisone reduction)

This is what i call a double positive. You have managed to INCREASE anabolism (Test levels) and DECREASE catabolism(cortisone), during a bridge to boot!!

The bridge should last 8 weeks, NO LESS. I also have to say, that it WILL NOT restore complete LH function. It'll get you 80-90% of the way there but the only way you're going to get your full LH function back is if you go OFF completely. Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw. (In case anybody is wondering.) The difference is that with anavar you can take it throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE once in the AM."

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I learned something from that. Thanks Xcel, good info, well thought out!

Interesting read.

good read! So if you can restore your LH function with dbol in your system, can you then use dbol as a part of the pct? Or would it screw up everything??

slaraffen said:

good read! So if you can restore your LH function with dbol in your system, can you then use dbol as a part of the pct? Or would it screw up everything??

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My take (based on info in article) would be take it for 8 weeks.

xcelbeyond said:

by: Fonz

Anavar WILL NOT restore LH completely either btw. (In case anybody is wondering.) The difference is that with anavar you can take it throughout the day and with dball it HAS TO BE once in the AM."

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Can you please elaborate on this? Does this mean one can take low dose anavar instead of dbol as a bridge?

I'm not really sure on this. I know that while anavar is "easier" on your system, it still shuts your HPTA down. My quess is that even if you did 5mg, 2 or 3x ED, it would keep you from recovering?!?

xcelbeyond said:

I'm not really sure on this. I know that while anavar is "easier" on your system, it still shuts your HPTA down. My quess is that even if you did 5mg, 2 or 3x ED, it would keep you from recovering?!?

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the reason why you can take anavar throughout the day and not dbol is made clear in the article... dbol causes a much higher spike in hormone levels, which will in turn cause your body to lower endogenous test levels, thus slowing your recovery... that being said you can fool your body into believing that the spike is as a result of the natural test spike that you experience first thing in the morning (the reason you have morning wood) by taking a low dose of dbol as soon as you wake...

but you can take var in lower doses spread through the day because the negative feedback loop on your HPTA is much less sensitive to var then to dbol...meaning that you can take it through the day and your body won't really see your hormone levels being that much higher than they normally should be, and therefore it won't cause as much of a drop in endogenous hormone levels like it would if you took dbol spread through the day...

But, lets just make it clear that this is all bridging, so to the guy that asked about it being added to your normal pct, that would be a big no...you won't recovery fully by doing this because you will still be supplementing your endogenous test with exogenous hormones, thus slowing your recovery process...

p.s. Love the board...


Cman

Unless totally neccessary, I believe, imo, that an off period should be off all AAS, or else you're still on & never fully recover. I still do very well by using GH, igf-1, insulin, nolvadex & femera when off. I don't lose much size, get a little leaner & don't have the post cycle depression of shrinking & getting softer.

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Qwert said:

Unless totally neccessary, I believe, imo, that an off period should be off all AAS, or else you're still on & never fully recover. I still do very well by using GH, igf-1, insulin, nolvadex & femera when off. I don't lose much size, get a little leaner & don't have the post cycle depression of shrinking & getting softer.

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I'm not as science-minded as many so can't argue the finer points, but I agree Quert. I can keep most gains by normal PCT and slin (I don't use GH or IGF-1) and general care, and I'd rather get back to normal ASAP so I can look down the barrel of another cycle rather than recovering slowly. At the end of, say, a 24 month period, wouldn't having (say) 32 (min) weeks in total of "bridging" plus another 3-12 of real PCT mean 44 weeks of not growing really at all? Might not the balance over time be in the favour of not briding with AAS at all?

I dunno, maybe the guys who have tried both for long periods could explain. IronMike

xcelbeyond said:

My take (based on info in article) would be take it for 8 weeks.

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I need to clarify this a bit. This article is talking about using this as a "bridge" not for PCT - two different things.

A little info on the author of this article. Fonz was banned at elitefitness for being a liar, photoshopping his photos and being a scammer. Fonz has over 10,000 posts on face the jury. So, that in itself tells you how much of a tool he is. There is no real science to this article , it is just one mans ramblings trying to sound intelligent. Just take this article with a grain of salt.


Routine bloodwork and documentation is the only way to tell of recovery.

I've heard this type of thing about Fonz ages ago. I never really figured that he did any research other than parroting information that others have said about this topic. He just did a good job of putting all the pieces together.

He's kinda like me - more of an "editor" than a "researcher." I believe this info about AM d-bol was around long before he posted this (wouldn't be suprised if someone else actually wrote it but it never got much exposure).

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galaxy said:

A little info on the author of this article. Fonz was banned at elitefitness for being a liar, photoshopping his photos and being a scammer. Fonz has over 10,000 posts on face the jury. So, that in itself tells you how much of a tool he is. There is no real science to this article , it is just one mans ramblings trying to sound intelligent. Just take this article with a grain of salt.


Routine bloodwork and documentation is the only way to tell of recovery.

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I got that out of his article too. Taking 1 and 1 and giving you 1,275 and surrounding it in rhetoric like "simple, anyone can understand THAT!"

I dunno, bridging for mine is far more complicated than that and, for instance, any supply of exogenous AAS would have to have some impact on LH and so on... and these chemicals in the system wouldn't just subside in a few hours and leave the system to carry on recovery. I thought the idea of recovery (I know he's not talking total PCT here but he alludes to recovery of up to 80%) was that the system had to be free of any upsets to the HPTA for a significant period, not just half or 3/4 of every day.

For instance, if you injected test susp every morning, by his theory there would be virtually no affect on the HPTA. I don't use test susp, but I suspect that even using it once a day there would be some shutdown.

Also, how does 20mg cause a "secondary spike"? Does the body release testosterone, LH etc on the 10mg, every 10mg? That part didn't make sense to me... like it spikes once when there is 20mg in the system, then waits until there is 10mg and goes again?

I dunno. I'm a simpleton and need to be convinced a little more. Slin seems a simpler option for mine, 2 weeks on, 2 off during your off time. IronMike