How long do U guys stay on stimulants?

GoneForever · Apr 14, 2008

Used to cycle between eca and clen when dieting but I dont feel to safe with clen anymore and it doesnt do much more 4 me than an eca stack which is pretty damn safe. So, is it ok to stay on an eca stack for like 6months+ b/c i've been so busy with work,etc.. i've kinda just been maintaining/mildly dieting and then plan on getting serious soon, but im pretty much always on an eca unless im bulking. Should I take a few weeks off here and there and just stick with caffiene or maybe some of those products like Venom,etc...? Thanks guys.

muscledoc1 · Apr 14, 2008

Thats an interesting question that i would like to hear some comments since i've been on fat-burners(not ECA,just switch from hydroxycut to hotrox to meltdown z14 etc...)-since i can remember(years non stop,mainly first thing in the am).

dragonfire101 · Apr 14, 2008

Your not giving your central nervous system a break staying on stimulants for long periods. It is not healthy in many ways.

GoneForever · Apr 14, 2008

How long should you stop for?

Also how about just caffine? Some drink coffee everday, so is that ok along with a little caffine before a workout forever, or do you need to stop that too.

dragonfire101 · Apr 14, 2008

Long term use of stimulants can drain the adrenals, raise cortisol levels, and eventually can lead to things like being insulin resistant and a cascade of chemical responses in the body which are not positive.

There are lots of new non stimulant preworkout and fat burning supplements out on the market that work pretty decent these days to take a break from the stimulants. I never stayed on a ECA more than 3 months.

TheGeneral · Apr 14, 2008

Drinks

I first started taking something when I was around 20...I'm now 29. I started on Speed Stack when they used to have Ephedra. Then went to extreme speed stack when ephedra was banned. I've recently gotten into Ephedra Tea(its a black bottle). I really wish I didn't need this stuff but I feel I have no energy--especially in the morning. I know it's unhealthy and probably causing havoc on my CNS and adrenal glands, I just dont know how to stop it--its really an addiction. I was in the Max Muscle Store and they said they were introducing a product that restores your adrenal glands.

muscledoc1 · Apr 14, 2008

dragonfire101 said:
Long term use of stimulants can drain the adrenals, raise cortisol levels, and eventually can lead to things like being insulin resistant and a cascade of chemical responses in the body which are mot positive.

There are lots of new non stimulant preworkout and fat burning supplements out on the market that work pretty decent these days to take a break from the stimulants. I never stayed on a ECA more than 3 months.

Even the ones that dont have ephedra(like the ones i mentioned above:hotrox,hydroxycut...)?-if so,how long should i stop them for to restore my system to normal?

dragonfire101 · Apr 14, 2008

muscledoc1 said:
Even the ones that dont have ephedra(like the ones i mentioned above:hotrox,hydroxycut...)?-if so,how long should i stop them for to restore my system to normal?

A lot of the ones without epherda still have loads of other stimulants such as caffeine, synephrine and other ingredients that affect CNS negatively with long term use.

Mr_Magoo · Apr 14, 2008

dragonfire101 said:
Long term use of stimulants can drain the adrenals, raise cortisol levels, and eventually can lead to things like being insulin resistant and a cascade of chemical responses in the body which are not positive.

There are lots of new non stimulant preworkout and fat burning supplements out on the market that work pretty decent these days to take a break from the stimulants. I never stayed on a ECA more than 3 months.

dragon is right, long term use can hurt the adrenal glands and raise cortisol levels, and elevated long term cortisol is bad for your body

i recomend an adrenal supplement like reset AD by Palto Alto, i know people who have been able to cut down on their stimulants as Reset made them more sensitive to them

also taking back off weeks in the gym is important, supplement with l-tyrosine

acetyl-l-carnitine is a good stimulant that doesnt raise cortisol levels

and only use the harsh stimulants that really pump out the adrenaline to pre-workout use

bigtasty25 · Apr 14, 2008

Forever

GoneForever · Apr 14, 2008

Ok so im gonna go off my eca for a bit but I dont know how im gonna go off my daily 200mg caffine preworkout. So, taking 200mg 1x per day can really cause all this shit down the road? That means that all the people who have their cup of coffe in the morning are gonna have the same thing happen?

Im gonna look into something that restores adreanal levels. So far Magoo said "reset" does it. Anyone know any others, or the best thing to possibly take? Thanks

Turk · Apr 14, 2008

fourthgen said:
Im gonna look into something that restores adreanal levels. So far Magoo said "reset" does it. Anyone know any others, or the best thing to possibly take? Thanks

Stop taking any sort of stimulating compound for sixth months.:st:r-wars

ubermensch · Apr 14, 2008

my training partner put himself in the hospital for about a month and cardiologist said out of everything he was doing (5000mgs, 20iu gh, insulin. etc.) he was most concerned with his ephedrine use. his resting heart rate was 170 and doctor said he had heart of 80 year old man.

EnglishDave · Apr 14, 2008

Problems with ECA in the past

I was recently admitted to hospital due to a series of eratic palpatations, initially the paramedics thought I was having a heart attack. During the usual;
'Do you take steroids'
'Yes'- then going through my entire contest cycle, at the end of this I mentioned that I had been taking ECA twice a day for the past three months. The Cardiac specialist said that out of everything I had listed this was the most likely cause of the problems with my heart and can cause these symptoms in people with no pre-existing history of heart problems. So when you use, like any drug, it be very careful of using it for an extended period of time.

emeric delczeg · Apr 14, 2008

All you gus taking stimulants or thermogenics ,contact Phil for Humanofort.
Humanofort is Adaptogen product. The word Adaptogen is used to refer to a natural herb product that increase the body`s resistance to stresses such as trauma, anxiety and bodily fatigue. Very simply, adaptogens are nontoxic in normal doses, produce a non-specific difensive response to, stress, and have a normalizing influence on the body. Humanofort will help to normalize the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal axis. And will regulate your Cortisol level.

buldog9 · Apr 14, 2008

Humanofort 300 mg a day. Dhea @ 25 mg morning and night. B-vitamins. L-tyrosine @ 3mg first thing in the morning on empty stomach. This will help keep adrenals working. I have found that when on gear after about 8 to 10 weeks gains slow down. With the above suplements gains dont slow down as much. When I first put this regeme into my cycle I had been on for 10 weeks. Strength and muscle gains had slowed way down, after one week on suplements my bench went up 15 lbs, and on next and final week of cycle bench went up 10 more pounds. I am 52 and though this worked for me it may not work as good for a younger person who has very heathy adrenals. For thows that have been on gear or eca for long periods I would venture to say It will help greatly.

muscledoc1 · Apr 14, 2008

emeric delczeg said:
All you gus taking stimulants or thermogenics ,contact Phil for Humanofort.
Humanofort is Adaptogen product. The word Adaptogen is used to refer to a natural herb product that increase the body`s resistance to stresses such as trauma, anxiety and bodily fatigue. Very simply, adaptogens are nontoxic in normal doses, produce a non-specific difensive response to, stress, and have a normalizing influence on the body. Humanofort will help to normalize the Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal axis. And will regulate your Cortisol level.

How does it work when on AAS?(DOES IT INTERFERE?),FOR EXAMPLE 750MG. TEST/WEEK,PARABOLAN(300MG./WEEK),AND WINSTROL(30MG./DAY).

GoneForever · Apr 14, 2008

Damn, this is scary. I thought stimulants were safe if taken in moderation. I only use 25mg ephedrine and 200mg caffine 2x daily. I better try to wind myself down. Maybe just caffine for a while, then stop it all for a month and then cycle it, like 3months on/1month off. But what about the billions of people who have coffee everyday?

emeric delczeg · Apr 14, 2008

buldog9 said:
Humanofort 300 mg a day. Dhea @ 25 mg morning and night. B-vitamins. L-tyrosine @ 3mg first thing in the morning on empty stomach. This will help keep adrenals working. I have found that when on gear after about 8 to 10 weeks gains slow down. With the above suplements gains dont slow down as much. When I first put this regeme into my cycle I had been on for 10 weeks. Strength and muscle gains had slowed way down, after one week on suplements my bench went up 15 lbs, and on next and final week of cycle bench went up 10 more pounds. I am 52 and though this worked for me it may not work as good for a younger person who has very heathy adrenals. For thows that have been on gear or eca for long periods I would venture to say It will help greatly.

You don`t have to take DHEA when you are taking Humanofort, I have to go to take care my incom tax, soon as I return I will explane the Mechanism of Action of the Humanofort.

Massive G · Apr 14, 2008

ubermensch said:
my training partner put himself in the hospital for about a month and cardiologist said out of everything he was doing (5000mgs, 20iu gh, insulin. etc.) he was most concerned with his ephedrine use. his resting heart rate was 170 and doctor said he had heart of 80 year old man.

Just curious if he has recovered off the stimulants.

Epedrine isn't safe, just like tren isn't safe or clen isn't safe some of this stuff should only be used infrequently in times of contests and then lower dose.

Moderation is fine.

Heck I tried some in January (as it's OTC here in NC in limited qties) and it just made me feel BAD 20 mcg a day and headaches sweating rapid pulse high BP etc..almost as bad as clen.