LIVER ADENOMA

[bbxtreme]

2006-2008 Miscellaneous Pro-Hormone use and some beginner cycles
2008-2013 Stupid blatant abuse, tried 2,000mg of tren for 10 weeks, use of exotics like follistatin, ACVR2B all in extreme dosages
2013-2014 TRT of 200mg per week
2014-2018 Completely off everything
2018ish - started very light cycles

Let me preface this conversation with this - I do an annual full body MRI with a company called Ezra, blood work a minimum of twice a quarter, and have financial backing for medical expenditures from an organization that doesn’t have a budget.

My cycles are 100-200mg of Test +300-600mg of EQ and the pulsatile utilization of orals for performance metrics.

Looking at this and trying to find a way to continue to cycle is natural, I did it as well. I just couldn’t imagine giving up my size, my strength, etc.

2013 I got up to the low 260s

Photos are me in 2014 (military photo) at around 200. Photo of me alone 2016. And bike photo is 2021 after a few very light cycles

2000mg of tren a week. My liver hurt just reading that. Damn. Thanks for keeping it real on here.

 

[Fleezy]

2000mg of tren a week. My liver hurt just reading that. Damn. Thanks for keeping it real on here.

there are others in this board who have used that amount

Pretty wild tho

 

[Performance Based]

As humbly as I can possibly say I went to TRT immediately and then “cold turkey” for a substantial time before starting to even consider going to 100mg of test per week.

I am also in a unique position - I can literally grab 6 MRIs a day if I wanted to - Someone might send me a rudely worded email but that’s about it. If I need blood work done, a procedure, surgery god forbid it’s scheduled that day or the next at the latest. This in all sincerity hedges by decision making a bit.

 

[Performance Based]

2000mg of tren a week. My liver hurt just reading that. Damn. Thanks for keeping it real on here.

Want to know what’s crazy? It didn’t affect my cardio even slightly. Now if I run 10mg a day my cardio output drops 25%ish


As far as the keeping it real - man I like to say we’re all tribal. If I can show my scars and say look at this one, don’t make that mistake I’m all for it. On occasion you have the check this one out, it was from an adventure that was completely worth it!

 

[lm89]

How old are you Fleezy?

 

[Fleezy]

I am also in a unique position - I can literally grab 6 MRIs a day if I wanted to - Someone might send me a rudely worded email but that’s about it. If I need blood work done, a procedure, surgery god forbid it’s scheduled that day or the next at the latest. This in all sincerity hedges by decision making a bit.

Must be niiiiiice

 

[Fleezy]

How old are you Fleezy?

34

 

[Performance Based]

It’s a luxury for sure but it most definitely did not come for free mate.

Wishing you the best and I sincerely hope you regain your health mate. Life is too short as it is. So many amazing places to go, so much epic food to eat and cool people to meet.

 

[bbxtreme]

As humbly as I can possibly say I went to TRT immediately and then “cold turkey” for a substantial time before starting to even consider going to 100mg of test per week.

I am also in a unique position - I can literally grab 6 MRIs a day if I wanted to - Someone might send me a rudely worded email but that’s about it. If I need blood work done, a procedure, surgery god forbid it’s scheduled that day or the next at the latest. This in all sincerity hedges by decision making a bit.

I can FULLY relate to this and it can be a dangerous spot to be in as I know I have access to the best with one call and the next day.

I try to use it as a tool and the right way, but it’s a slippery slope. I’m the first to admit that.

In 2008 I ran SDrol almost two years straight. That’s probably my closest, but I was young and honestly it didn’t phase my liver or anything short term. But there’s always a price to pay IMO somewhere down the line. There’s no such thing as “getting away with something” in life. Jordan Peterson quote I strive to live by. So true IMO.

 

[Fleezy]

Just want to reiterate to whoever may be reading this thread


Get your liver scanned


I had no symptoms.. not even an itch

I got this imaging purely on a whim, and because I did, I discovered that I have a tumor that WILL turn into liver cancer if it’s not removed

Bloodwork will not detect these tumors

Only imaging will

Schedule it and get it done - at least once a year

 

[bbxtreme]

Just want to reiterate to whoever may be reading this thread


Get your liver scanned


I had no symptoms.. not even an itch

I got this imaging purely on a whim, and because I did, I discovered that I have a tumor that WILL turn into liver cancer if it’s not removed

Bloodwork will not detect these tumors

Only imaging will

Schedule it and get it done - at least once a year

I say it all the time on here- just because you don’t do blood work or screening doesn’t mean it’s not there. So many guys are scared of their own blood work and screening. You’ll have to address it eventually IMO.

 

[luki7788]

i hope you're right, and i imagine that you are

these tumors are an interesting thing.. when you have them, they are life-threatening

then, you get them removed, and the problem goes away completely (as long as you dont develop more)


the issue is to not develop them


if you still have access to those doctors, it would be interesting to hear their take on what causes liver adenomas in bodybuilders - whether it's from increased estrogen from poor aromatization management, too high of an androgen load, etc.

the literature says that steroids cause them, but doesn't really explain how.

Gotgame shared his knowledge and insights, but more input from knowledgeable people is always welcome

im sure everyone here would benefit from their knowledge in this area.

both of my doctors are here on the forum - write me a private message and I will give you their contact details

 

[Fleezy]

both of my doctors are here on the forum - write me a private message and I will give you their contact details

Done

 

[Fleezy]

I say it all the time on here- just because you don’t do blood work or screening doesn’t mean it’s not there. So many guys are scared of their own blood work and screening. You’ll have to address it eventually IMO.

You have to address your issues, or they will address you

 

[Fleezy]

On the bright side


I’m going to be saving a good amount of money

 

[cage99]

Your scan, from previous posts it seemed your doctor was an asshat…. How did you convince them to order your scans w/o showing signs of health issues? Or did you just do this out of pocket?

Cage

 

[Fleezy]

Your scan, from previous posts it seemed your doctor was an asshat…. How did you convince them to order your scans w/o showing signs of health issues? Or did you just do this out of pocket?

Cage

He is an ass hat

But he prescribed these for me when I asked for them

Maybe my history of somewhat elevated liver enzymes made him feel that it was necessary

 

[Eguz22]

But there’s always a price to pay IMO somewhere down the line. There’s no such thing as “getting away with something” in life. Jordan Peterson quote I strive to live by. So true IMO.

It is life that denies us, expels us and kills us. Don't we want to live intensely and forever? But it is life that denies itself, that kills itself by killing us. We try to live, but life, intensely, kills us. Life itself is sceptical: it does not believe in anything it creates. It creates only to destroy what it has created. We suffer because we are part of life's suicide weapon, part of what kills every day.

 

[pickapeck]

It is life that denies us, expels us and kills us. Don't we want to live intensely and forever? But it is life that denies itself, that kills itself by killing us. We try to live, but life, intensely, kills us. Life itself is sceptical: it does not believe in anything it creates. It creates only to destroy what it has created. We suffer because we are part of life's suicide weapon, part of what kills every day.

WTF did you just smoke? Put it down and sober up!

 

[stackdizzy]

It is life that denies us, expels us and kills us. Don't we want to live intensely and forever? But it is life that denies itself, that kills itself by killing us. We try to live, but life, intensely, kills us. Life itself is sceptical: it does not believe in anything it creates. It creates only to destroy what it has created. We suffer because we are part of life's suicide weapon, part of what kills every day.

Yea man way to make everyone suicidal...lol jk