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[MasteroniPepperoni]

That's what I done last week for 2 days but I just called it front and back You are spot on and if you are advanced (lifting heavy to complete failure) a full body routine can be extremely taxing so that's why I posted what I did the last few days explaining the need for smart programming and monitoring daily/weekly volume and even intensity for certain movements.

It's not rocket science but people just have to be careful with how they program things especially when training frequently. For me I have to watch how much lower back loading I am doing so hip hitch movements are chosen carefully and rotated through the weeks/months because there is no way I can incorporate multiple in the same session or even the same week. So for upper/lower I will likely go with a stiff leg deadlift for hams (and 1 curl variation) but if training twice weekly I will just add it in 1 training day per week. On the push/pull program it will obviously be done on the pull day but it means I have to be careful with what else I do that day so instead of a heavy barbell or t-bar row I will use a chest supported variation to prevent additional loading on the lower back.

The same thought process can be utilized for all movements but my lower back is the only major issue I have in regards to potential injuries. It's not as serious but I (and most people) also have to be careful with doing too much on other days and an example of that would be heavy pressing on push day. As a result on push day I will do 2 pressing movements max most days so it's usually 1 chest and 1 shoulder press with a chest flye and lateral raise as a secondary movements. Everyone's strength is different but it's 100% different for guys pressing 1-1.5 plates per side and someone like me maxing out on 3-4pps for shoulder pressing for 6-8 reps. You simply can not do too much volume when lifting that heavy because over time it will ruin your shoulders. That's why in the week for other pressing movements my reps will vary from low, medium and high just so I am not pushing very heavy weight every single time I press.

On the routine you posted because of the intensity of training I would usually add in an off day after every rotation so it would be PUSH, PULL, OFF, PUSH, PULL, OFF etc.

Ah , I see . My apologies . I figured it was just a basic full body. Front and back is the same thing haha.

And I totally agree. People need to learn to periodize. One day heavier, lower reps and the next higher more volume. Many people tend to get into a routine and believe one way is better than the next, but both styles can be utilized for recovery. More rest days as you mentioned. Thanks for the knowledge as always!

I may try it, so if I do I’ll definitely add in an extra off day. P/pull/ rest repeat/ rest

 

[Elvia1023]

I am moving along nicely and everything is pretty much the same. Although I randomly added 20mg dbol preworkout for a few days and even that dose has suppressed my appetite noticeably. I am supposed to be cruising so I shouldn't be adding things in but I felt like it I haven't weighed myself but I feel like I have put on quite a few pounds in the last few days. I will drop it now and carry on my usual cruise. Again my appetite is way down so it's not even good for me either because I usually enjoy my 5 meals and snacks and today I could have happily ate twice but I have forced my meals which I don't want to be doing. I also restarted HGH and I have used 5IU Genotrope the last 2 days. The sleep I get from it is amazing and I will add in a sleep stack soon to improve that even more.

Many might know I have a really bad lower back and have done for years but I have really improved it over the last year. I haven't been injured and I am pushing all the movements I couldn't do at all last year. As long as I crack my back daily and do my stretches it seems to really be helping. I have also worked on increasing the strength and flexibility of all surrounding muscles. Although I did stiff leg deadlift 4pps last week and it definitely didn't feel right after that so I will be careful moving forward. The other day I done very heavy hip thrusts and I was ok. Today I done some stiff leg deadlifts with 3pps and conventional with 4pps (just 1 set of each) and I feel fine. I am still doing full body and today that looked like...

Seated Calf Raises... 1 working drop set with 2 drops in weight.
Hip Abductors... 1 working set.
Hip Adductors... 1 working set.
Barbell Stiff Leg Deadlift... 1 working set.
Barbell Deadlift... 1 working set.
Leg Press... 1 working set.
Cable Rope AB Crunches... 2 working sets.
Chest Supported Machine Row... 1 working set.
Low Incline DB Chest Press... 1 working set.
DB Lateral Raises... 1 working drop set with 3 drops in weight.
Overhead Standing EZ Bar Tri-cep Extensions supersetted EZ Bar Curls... 1 working set.
Barbell Upright Rows... 1 working set.
Stretches.

My diet today has been...

Oats, whey protein (chocolate peanut butter flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Rump steak, long grain rice and pineapple.
20mg dbol (with 3g fish/flaxseed oil and 1 cap krill oil).
INTRA (2 scoops of EAA's, 30g honey, 10g glutamine and 5g taurine).
Chicken breast, sticky rice and sweet chilli sauce.
Chicken breast, wholegrain rice, houmous and sweet chilli sauce.
Cottage cheese, raspberries and walnuts.
5iu Genotrope.

I train PPL normally but I have decided I am going to change over to a FRONT/BACK routine because I want to increase my overall frequency especially for my legs. I will do 2 movements for each body part (2-3 for quads) and keep it to 1-2 pressing movements with a lateral raise variation and a fly variation. For BACK day I will rotate stiff leg deadlifts with hip thrusts in addition to a curl variation. The reason I don't write it as push and pull is hip thrusts and calves will be done on back day. All straight forward and it will suit me well.

My next blast will consist of test e, deca (or npp) and eq with hgh and humalog.

 

[jaxino]

Mate i am using 10mg dbols+10mg Winny daily, it's from SP labs Thailand.
No idea why but it changed me so much....

 

[psychor]

I am moving along nicely and everything is pretty much the same. Although I randomly added 20mg dbol preworkout for a few days and even that dose has suppressed my appetite noticeably. I am supposed to be cruising so I shouldn't be adding things in but I felt like it I haven't weighed myself but I feel like I have put on quite a few pounds in the last few days. I will drop it now and carry on my usual cruise. Again my appetite is way down so it's not even good for me either because I usually enjoy my 5 meals and snacks and today I could have happily ate twice but I have forced my meals which I don't want to be doing. I also restarted HGH and I have used 5IU Genotrope the last 2 days. The sleep I get from it is amazing and I will add in a sleep stack soon to improve that even more.

Many might know I have a really bad lower back and have done for years but I have really improved it over the last year. I haven't been injured and I am pushing all the movements I couldn't do at all last year. As long as I crack my back daily and do my stretches it seems to really be helping. I have also worked on increasing the strength and flexibility of all surrounding muscles. Although I did stiff leg deadlift 4pps last week and it definitely didn't feel right after that so I will be careful moving forward. The other day I done very heavy hip thrusts and I was ok. Today I done some stiff leg deadlifts with 3pps and conventional with 4pps (just 1 set of each) and I feel fine. I am still doing full body and today that looked like...

Seated Calf Raises... 1 working drop set with 2 drops in weight.
Hip Abductors... 1 working set.
Hip Adductors... 1 working set.
Barbell Stiff Leg Deadlift... 1 working set.
Barbell Deadlift... 1 working set.
Leg Press... 1 working set.
Cable Rope AB Crunches... 2 working sets.
Chest Supported Machine Row... 1 working set.
Low Incline DB Chest Press... 1 working set.
DB Lateral Raises... 1 working drop set with 3 drops in weight.
Overhead Standing EZ Bar Tri-cep Extensions supersetted EZ Bar Curls... 1 working set.
Barbell Upright Rows... 1 working set.
Stretches.

My diet today has been...

Oats, whey protein (chocolate peanut butter flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Rump steak, long grain rice and pineapple.
20mg dbol (with 3g fish/flaxseed oil and 1 cap krill oil).
INTRA (2 scoops of EAA's, 30g honey, 10g glutamine and 5g taurine).
Chicken breast, sticky rice and sweet chilli sauce.
Chicken breast, wholegrain rice, houmous and sweet chilli sauce.
Cottage cheese, raspberries and walnuts.
5iu Genotrope.

I train PPL normally but I have decided I am going to change over to a FRONT/BACK routine because I want to increase my overall frequency especially for my legs. I will do 2 movements for each body part (2-3 for quads) and keep it to 1-2 pressing movements with a lateral raise variation and a fly variation. For BACK day I will rotate stiff leg deadlifts with hip thrusts in addition to a curl variation. The reason I don't write it as push and pull is hip thrusts and calves will be done on back day. All straight forward and it will suit me well.

My next blast will consist of test e, deca (or npp) and eq with hgh and humalog.

I hear what your saying concerning your back condition and adjusting your training to accommodate. Currently I can't DL or Rack DL as much weight or volume as I used to but I'm trying progress SAFELY back to those amount of weights. I really like the way DL and Rack DL "fill" out my back so rather than abandon them completely I've cut back to 1 maybe 2 working sets as anything more really disables me relatively speaking for a few days and my back stiffens up to the point that it compromises my training. I had stopped doing these lifts for a while because of the way they hurt my back and compromised my training. Also I used to take sets to the point where my whole body was shaking to move the weight on the last few reps and this way wouldn't compromise my training. Now, my "failure point" is where I can complete my last couple of reps in about 3 seconds or less on the positive without my whole body shaking and I feel I can safely complete the rep without too much risk of injury.

Cutting the volume and weight down on these whole body compound lifts allows me to still reap the benefits of the lift while not compromising my back health and/or my next training session. I have also started incorporating back extensions and I think these have helped to strengthen my lower back and has carried over to other back and leg movements. My back isn't as sore or tight anymore after a leg or back day and also my back is stronger during the lifts and doesn't give out or tighten up. THANK YOU again Elvia for keeping us posted and sharing your experiences!

 

[Elvia1023]

Mate i am using 10mg dbols+10mg Winny daily, it's from SP labs Thailand.
No idea why but it changed me so much....

That's enough to change anyone. It's just many have the thought process that you must take large amounts of every compound for them to work which is nonsense. At the same time we need to be realists and use common sense and all drugs will work more the higher the dose. Nevertheless, everything has a limit were side effects start outweighing results so it's about balance. I have used higher doses of orals in the past experimenting. Things like 60mg dbol, 100mg winny, 100mg adrol, 100mg avar, 60mg tbol etc. I know guys who have used 400mg adrol and 200mg dbol. For my first 5 cycles of dbol I remember 20-30mg would put 20 pounds on me every time. My response is vastly different now but 20mg dbol with a good diet is going to give results (common sense really).

If you can take 60mg with no issues it's obviously going to give more results. For me 60mg now would destroy my appetite so it's pointless. So for everyone it's just about picking the most effective dose in regards to results, well being and side effects. If someone feels great on 10mg and they can eat fine then they could run that for a longer period and still get incredible results. The same person may get more results from 10mg compared to 60mg because 60 mg ruins their appetite, makes them feel ill and gives them severe back pumps which negatively affects their training. If adrol just gave me results and no side effects I would be dosing 100-150mg daily next cycle but sadly that dose will make me feel like shit

 

[Elvia1023]

I hear what your saying concerning your back condition and adjusting your training to accommodate. Currently I can't DL or Rack DL as much weight or volume as I used to but I'm trying progress SAFELY back to those amount of weights. I really like the way DL and Rack DL "fill" out my back so rather than abandon them completely I've cut back to 1 maybe 2 working sets as anything more really disables me relatively speaking for a few days and my back stiffens up to the point that it compromises my training. I had stopped doing these lifts for a while because of the way they hurt my back and compromised my training. Also I used to take sets to the point where my whole body was shaking to move the weight on the last few reps and this way wouldn't compromise my training. Now, my "failure point" is where I can complete my last couple of reps in about 3 seconds or less on the positive without my whole body shaking and I feel I can safely complete the rep without too much risk of injury.

Cutting the volume and weight down on these whole body compound lifts allows me to still reap the benefits of the lift while not compromising my back health and/or my next training session. I have also started incorporating back extensions and I think these have helped to strengthen my lower back and has carried over to other back and leg movements. My back isn't as sore or tight anymore after a leg or back day and also my back is stronger during the lifts and doesn't give out or tighten up. THANK YOU again Elvia for keeping us posted and sharing your experiences!

That's great to read. I have injured it so many times trying to do certain movements. I couldn't even squat 1pps or stiff leg deadlift 1pps without it tightening up and going in the following few days. It wouldn't be in the gym but always the next day or 2 out of nowhere. I couldn't even train abs properly because that would often do the same. Lower back extensions I would need to be careful as well. I could write for hours because it's been about 10 years but I won't bore you.

It's not ideal (need to fix the root cause) but I crack my back and stretch and that has stopped me getting injured. I do it nearly everyday and sometimes twice. It stops it from tightening up. I am now doing all the movements I couldn't do and fairly heavy weight I just have to be careful with frequency and volume. So if I do a hip hitch movement I will keep it to one and be careful with what else I do that day. My back has been the best it's been in years but I definitely had another wake up call the other day when it tightened up after doing 4pps. Even so it feels much stronger now and I am happy. The likes of deadlifting and barbell/t-bar rows are some of my fav movements to do in the gym so I am really enjoying pull days now. Heavy barbell work gets me so fired up and in a great mood so I hope I can remain injury free... doubtful

It's good you are trying to strengthen supporting areas. Definitely try to stretch and increase flexibility as well. Everything is connected and imbalances cause injuries and visa versa so strengthening all areas is very useful. The other thing that made a massive difference to me is the PSOAS RITE. I would recommend that to anyone with lower back issues. It helps release the psoas muscle which is a very common reason why people's lower backs tighten up. The trademarked version is expensive for a piece of plastic but I noticed there are cheap versions on Amazon now. It's made a massive difference to me so I would recommend you try it if you can.

 

[jaxino]

That's enough to change anyone. It's just many have the thought process that you must take large amounts of every compound for them to work which is nonsense. At the same time we need to be realists and use common sense and all drugs will work more the higher the dose. Nevertheless, everything has a limit were side effects start outweighing results so it's about balance. I have used higher doses of orals in the past experimenting. Things like 60mg dbol, 100mg winny, 100mg adrol, 100mg avar, 60mg tbol etc. I know guys who have used 400mg adrol and 200mg dbol. For my first 5 cycles of dbol I remember 20-30mg would put 20 pounds on me every time. My response is vastly different now but 20mg dbol with a good diet is going to give results (common sense really).

If you can take 60mg with no issues it's obviously going to give more results. For me 60mg now would destroy my appetite so it's pointless. So for everyone it's just about picking the most effective dose in regards to results, well being and side effects. If someone feels great on 10mg and they can eat fine then they could run that for a longer period and still get incredible results. The same person may get more results from 10mg compared to 60mg because 60 mg ruins their appetite, makes them feel ill and gives them severe back pumps which negatively affects their training. If adrol just gave me results and no side effects I would be dosing 100-150mg daily next cycle but sadly that dose will make me feel like shit

Don't say that... 150mg Anadrol makes me feel like superman and gave me unsatiable hunger... No high BP nothing.... Just a ton of strength.

 

[Elvia1023]

I started my new training split today and had an amazing training session. I had planned to train but because I was running late I was going to wait until tomorrow but I was so amped up to train I decided to go last minute. I didn't have that long to train so I decided to start the new split but I also missed out abs and kept quads to 1 movement only. On a regular front day I will include abs and 2-3 quad movements. I added in a crazy leg extension mega set to get in many effective reps in a short time frame.

Warm Up with an empty barbell (front/back shoulder presses, upright rows and front raises).
Standing Barbell Shoulder Press... 1 working set.
DB Lateral Raises... 1 working set.
Low Incline DB Chest Flyes... 1 working set.
Decline Barbell Press... 1 working set.
Cross Body Cable Tri-cep Extensions... 2 working sets.
Leg Extensions... 15 sets of 7 reps.
Stretches.

For the leg extensions I didn't know I had done 15 sets. I merely started very light and I done 15 sets of 7 reps moving up in weight every set. All reps were slow and controlled with a squeeze at the top. I would do 7 reps and have no rest and move up 1 plate (pin stack) and do another 7 reps and repeated that until I got to the full weight rack. By the middle I was failing near the 6-7th rep on every set. By 3/4 in I started resting no more than 10 secs between sets just give it a small amount of time because I would have failed early.

The amount of effective reps I accumulated doing the sets like this was huge and in a very short time period. As I was not resting my knees were very warm moving up in weight so no issues with that either. Just a fun and challenging system and I recommend you try it if you want to push yourself at the end. I made this up on the spot so it wasn't planed and mainly because I didn't have much time. Although I would still do something like this from time to time even if I had completed a few quad movements but it was ideal to warm up fast and push myself in a short time period. I high rep and rest pause leg extensions all the time but prefer doing them like this because 7 reps is an easy target so during those heavier sets that short 5-10 sec rest in between can be enough to enable you to get a few but then the grind begins and it repeats set after set. Obviously next front day I will do some heavy hack squats and maybe a leg press variation but I enjoyed today.

Oats, whey protein (sticky toffee pudding flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Rump steak, long grain rice and pineapple.
125mg test e, 60mg mast e and 10mg cialis.
INTRA (2 scoops of EAA's, 30g honey, 10g glutamine and 5g taurine).
Chicken breast, sticky rice and sweet chilli sauce.
5 egg omelette with bacon, mushrooms, onion and cherry tomatoes.
Cottage cheese, raspberries and walnuts.
5iu Genotrope.

I have had 4 cups of tea today and 3 digestive biscuits with every cup... proper British snacking

 

[MasteroniPepperoni]

What are your thoughts on below the knee rack pulls? I've always loved this exercise. Definitely enables you to stimulate the back with a lot of load without as much risk to the lower back. Also, get a small amount of leg stimulation too, depending on how low. Never noticed much from anything above the knee except maybe some trap growth and grip strength

 

[Elvia1023]

What are your thoughts on below the knee rack pulls? I've always loved this exercise. Definitely enables you to stimulate the back with a lot of load without as much risk to the lower back. Also, get a small amount of leg stimulation too, depending on how low. Never noticed much from anything above the knee except maybe some trap growth and grip strength

I think they are great for the reasons you mentioned. I have had issues with my lower back and they were a great starting movement for me to simply lift heavy load without my chest being supported. I could go crazy on chest supported rows etc but I missed heavy barbell work. After years of not being able to lift heavy on t-bar rows and barbell rows etc they were a great first movement. I started with above the knee and as a progressed I started going lower and heavier and now I am doing them, barbell rows, stiff leg deadlifts and conventional deadlifts etc. There are many movements you can do and they are far from needed but I think they are a great movement when you want to lift a heavy load and focus on primarily hitting the lower back, glutes, hamstring and traps. Moreover if you love doing them it shouldn't matter what I think you should just carry on doing them. Although I understand the question as some guys literally think they are a waste of time but I strongly disagree with that statement.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have dosed 5iu Genotrope a few times now and the sleep has been amazing but I have started getting some CTS in my right arm. I could feel it a little when training today and my right arm grip was starting to give in because of it. I am loving this training split mainly because I get to cover a lot of muscles but after doing full body it's a lot easier because it's half the body parts so I can focus more on what I am training. My thought process in the gym today was simply start high and work down...

Incline Bench DB Rear Delt Flyes... 1 working set (approx 15 reps).
Chest Supported High Row... 1 working set of 7 reps.
Unilateral Cable Pushdowns... 1 working set for each side (approx 12 reps).
Lat Pulldowns... 1 working set of 17 reps.
Barbell Rows... 1 working set.
Stiff Leg Deadlifts... 1 working set.
Deadlifts... 1 working set.
Unilateral Seated Leg Curls... 1 working set with the full weight rack for each leg (approx 7 reps).
Seated Calf Raises... 2 working sets (approx 20 reps and 15 reps).
Stretches.

It looks like quite a lot of volume but it wasn't too much. I like to do stiff leg deadlifts now but my hams were feeling a little tight so I decided to do some barbell rows and just do some leg curls for hamstrings. However I done 1 set of barbell rows with 3pps and wasn't really feeling it so afterwards I used the same weight and done a set of stiff leg deadlifts. Then I added 1 pps and done a set of conventional deadlifts and they felt great. So there wasn't any warm ups apart from the barbell rows so I went through them fairly quickly. I didn't want to push the weight because my back/hams felt a little tight. I also didn't go to complete failure so not what I would usually call a working set but they definitely worked and I was still destroyed afterwards

Most of the time I know the exact amount of reps I do for everything but today I put approx reps because I just pushed it to the max and concentrated on the quality of each rep so I wasn't really counting. Occasionally I go to the gym and just go crazy but 95% of the time I am really focused on the quality of each rep and working my muscles through the entire effective range so whilst numbers are still very important as long as I am progressing gradually I don't really care what the exact numbers are for every working set.

Oats, whey protein (chocolate peanut butter flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Sirloin steak, long grain rice and pineapple.
2ml synthetine, 1.5ml syntheselen and 5iu Genotrope.
INTRA (2 scoops of EAA's, 30g honey, 10g glutamine and 5g taurine).
Chicken breast, jasmine rice and sweet chilli sauce.
Oats, whey protein (sticky toffee pudding flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Cottage cheese, raspberries, blueberries and walnuts.

I had a 2nd meal of oats today because I felt like a change from chicken breast, rice and sweet chilli sauce

Pre bed I take my supplements (4g fish/flaxseed/krill oil, 5000iu vitamin d, 1g vitamin c, multi vitamin, 100mg/2000fu nattokinase, 8000iu retinol, 1 cap bromelain+ and 10mg melatonin. On top of this I also take 40mg telmisartan and 1000mg time released metformin.

 

[Elvia1023]

Just a quick one tonight because I don't have much time but want to post what I done today. I kept volume down for each bodypart because I will likely be training them again in 3 days. My plan is to do PUSH, PULL, OFF, PUSH, PULL, OFF etc but if I ever need an extra day off I will take it.

Warm Up with DB's.
Seated Cable Chest Flyes... 1 working set.
Machine Chest Press... 1 working drop set (5pps, 4pps and 3pps).
Standing DB Lateral Raises... 1 working set with 20kg DB's.
Machine Incline Press... 1 working set with the full weight rack.
Tri-cep Pushdowns... 1 working set with the full weight rack.
Incline Bench DB Tri-cep Extensions... 1 working set with 25kg DB's.
Machine Ab Crunches... 5 hard sets moving up in weight each set.
Leg Press... 2 working sets.
Leg Extensions... 4 working sets moving up in weight with minimal rest between sets (finished at the full weight rack).
Stretches.

Oats, whey protein (sticky toffee pudding flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Rump steak, long grain rice and pineapple.
125mg test e, 60mg mast e, 2ml synthetine and 2ml syntheselen.
INTRA (40g whey protein and 10g glutamine).
Chicken breast, basmati rice and honey.
Sirloin steak, broccoli, pak choi, collard greens, red onions and garlic.
0% FAGE Yoghurt, raspberries and walnuts.
5iu Genotrope.

I do not advise drinking whey whilst training even if it's in lot's of water. Long story short I am out of EAA's so I just added it in but I knew I would bloat. It was fine because I wanted something to drink but I won't make a habit of it and have only used it the last few days. I get some EAA's tomorrow so will go back to them straightaway. I had a few treats over the weekend but everything is looking good.

 

[Elvia1023]

More of the same...

Standing Cable Rear Delt Flyes... 1 working set.
Nautilus Leverage Unilateral High Row... 1 working set for each side.
Standing Cable Lat Pushdowns... 1 working set.
Nautilus Leverage Low Row... 2 working sets.
Nautilus Glute Drive... 1 working set (4pps).
Seated Leg Curls... 2 working sets.
Standing Calf Raises... 3 working sets.
Stretches.

I am going to rotate the nautilus glute drive with deadlifts every workout and try to progress in both over the months. I have to be careful with lower back loading so following this system will be best for me. I will be training PULL every 3 days so all main movements will be hit every week. I really like the Nautilus impact equipment and the leverage machines feel really heavy and I will be focusing on them in the foreseeable future.

Oats, whey protein (sticky toffee pudding flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Sirloin steak, long grain rice and pineapple.
2ml synthetine and 2ml syntheselen.
INTRA (2 scoops of EAA's, 30g honey, 10g glutamine and 5g taurine).
Chicken breast, jasmine rice and sweet chilli sauce.
Half roast chicken with sweet chilli houmous.
0% FAGE Yoghurt, blueberries, raspberries and walnuts.
5iu Genotrope.

 

[Elvia1023]

What a difference a week makes I decided to blast again. I figured why wait until the new year. Long story short I added in NPP and upped my test e dose. I am 2 injs in and I started with 0.6ml NPP then 0.7ml and now I will carry on with 0.5ml test e and 1ml NPP EOD. That makes 525mg test e and 350mg npp per week. As posted many times in the past I am not a fan of high test doses so I would rather add in low-moderate doses of other injectables. Although I will see how I go but I may up the test to 750mg max dose. NPP will probably stay the same. I may add in eq and if I do it will start at around 300mg but I could move that up to a similar amount as my test dose (525-700mg). Now I also have some DHB to add in and it's the first time I have ever used the compound. By reason of that and how I can be I will start with a few low dose injs then I will gradually move up to 50mg EOD. If I feel good at that dose I will gradually move up to 100mg EOD. I will add the DHB in very soon.

All in all I have a decent mix planned and will be pushing things a bit higher than usual. I am going to just stick to injectables this time round but I may finish with an oral depending upon blood work. I also have slin I will be adding in around training but just standard doses. I will probably drop HGH soon as for me personally it's not worth it. I state that and I get hgh for free so it's not a price thing I just don't like what it does to me.

My training has been great recently. I am having more off days from the gym which is hard for me. Today was an off day but I nearly went because I love the gym but it's a good thing I didn't and my body did need the day off. On the forums I often see guys state how you can't possibly train really hard for a few days running. Acting like if you truly train hard you wouldn't want to go the gym again and it's complete nonsense. The last 2 days I have literally pushed my body to the max. Yesterday I woke up feeling destroyed but by the evening I was ready to go again. Today I strangely woke up feeling great and wanted to train again but it's a good thing I didn't. My last 2 trainings days consisted of...

Warm Up with DB's.
Pec Deck... 2 working sets (1 loading and 1 drop off).
Unilateral Chest Press... 2 working sets for each arm.
Standing DB Lateral Raises... 1 working drop set.
Incline Bench Y Raises... 1 working set.
Smith Incline Press... 1 working set.
Lying EZ Bar Skullcrushers... 1 working set with 30kg per side.
Unilateral Machine Tri-cep Extensions... 1 working set with each arm.
Leg Press... 2 working sets.
Leg Extensions... 2 working sets.
Stretches.

I only done the chest press one arm at a time because the machine is designed very poorly. It starts far too back and is bad for the shoulders and extremely awkward to get into position especially with a heavy load. So I used the other hand to help get the machine into position and it felt so much better. Yes I could get someone to help me but there wasn't anyone suitable. The machine feels very heavy so I was pleased with my 4pps and 4.5pps.

Warm up with DB's.
Reverse Pec Deck... 1 working set.
Nautilius Pullover... 1 working set.
Nautilus Leverage Lat Pulldown... 1 working set for each side.
Nautilus Leverage Row... 1 working set.
Unilateral Seated Cable Row... 1 working set for each side.
Nautilus Instinct Glute Press... 1 working set for each side (full weight rack).
Lying Leg Curls... 2 working sets (full weight rack then about 80% of the stack).
Stiff Leg Deadlifts... 1 working set.
Deadlifts... 1 working set.
Standing Calf Raises... 2 working sets.
Stretches and Massage Gun.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have had some big meals today. My first 3 meals contained approx 150g carbs each. All my usual meals but I had more oats, rice and bread for each meal. I have also just had a 1500 calorie bowl of granola.

Oats, whey protein (sticky toffee pudding flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Chicken soup (barley, noodles, chickpeas, carrots and cabbage) with a baguette.
30mg DHB, 2ml synthetine and 1.5ml syntheselen.
INTRA (2 scoops of EAA's, 30g honey, 10g glutamine and 5g taurine).
Chicken breast, basmati rice and honey.
Sirloin steak, cherry tomatoes and wholegrain rice.
Granola with blueberries, raspberries and strawberries.

I have had about 800g carbs today. I felt like a machine in the gym. I only had 1 hour to train but I was that amped up I went through all movements fairly quickly because I wanted to make sure I had enough time to slowly warm up my legs and go up to my max weight 1pps at a time. My legs are destroyed (struggling to move around) and that's all from 2 sets of hack squats. As you can see I have also started DHB and dosed that preworkout. I am going to continue with 30mg EOD and move up 10mg every week or so.

Cable Lateral Raises... 1 working set for each side.
Cable Rope Front Raises... 1 working set.
Machine Lateral Raises... 1 working set.
Machine Shoulder Press... 1 working set.
Pec Deck... 1 working set.
Chest Press... 2 working sets.
Machine Tri-cep Dips... 1 working set.
Machine Tri-cep Extensions... 1 working set.
Hack Squats... 2 working sets.
Leg Press... 1 working set.
Stretches.

 

[Elvia1023]

I have been rotating stiff leg deadlifts with the glute drive (hip thrust) machine but I went against my "rule" the other day and ended up doing stiff leg deadlifts, deadlifts and hip thrusts all in one session. I really pushed the weight so no doubt my back felt completely off the next day so I had 2 days off. On Tuesday I felt ok so done PUSH and today (Thursday) I done another PULL day but kept the lower portion to just hamstring curls and calf raises and I feel great now. Today I also decided to keep the weight moderate and do higher reps. Many movements were in the 12-15 rep range but others for 15-20 reps and for calves mainly over 25 reps. I really concentrated on execution and feeling the muscle and contracting hard on every rep and getting the best pump possible. I will do the same tomorrow for PUSH and then go back to normal. I have been pushing the weight in lower rep ranges recently so it's always good to have a break from that even if it's just for 1 rotation.

The 30mg EOD of DHB has made me feel a little off so I have kept it to 30mg but next week I will move it up to 35mg then 40mg etc. I have been dosing the other stuff E3D's but I will be more consistent and go back to EOD for that. I dose them separately because I use a slin pin for the DHB. Everything else is gtg. I will add some preworkout slin tomorrow with more intra carbs. I wanted to start upping things but my supplement order didn't show up and the company has fucked up again so I have been waiting ages for a new preworkout, hbcd's and eaa's. They should be coming tomorrow so I will swop honey for hbcd's. I usually do about 60g HBCD's but if I ever go higher I will do a combo of that and honey.

This is the first day I haven't had a giant bowl of granola this week but I still have another hour or so left

Oats, whey protein (sticky toffee pudding flavour), peanut butter powder, banana and oat milk.
Roast lamb, roast potatoes, carrots, broccoli, green beans, beetroot and mint sauce.
2ml synthetine and 1.5ml syntheselen.
INTRA (2 scoops of EAA's, 60g honey, 10g glutamine and 5g taurine).
Special (beef, chicken, char sui and king prawn) with pineapple and boiled rice (takeaway).
Chicken, jasmine rice and blueberries.
0% FAGE Yoghurt, raspberries and walnuts.

I have also snacked on melon throughout the day. By snacked I mean I have ate an entire melon.

I am going out on Sat for my birthday so Sunday will be a complete write off but I will be back on plan on Monday. I will try and limit my drinking to an excessive amount and not a ridiculous amount

 

[bigzzz]

How are you doing mate?

 

[Elvia1023]

How are you doing mate?

I appreciate this post and I am sorry it has taken this long for me to reply. I haven't updated this thread since last year. I wanted to start when I knew I could give 100%. For months I said to myself I will update my log tonight and I never did. Now it's time

Over the last 6 months I had various things to deal with. I haven't missed a single workout in all this time. I have missed plenty of shots and I have had days of minimal food but training is always on point for me because it's my passion.

I will go over a few things I think are important. I had issues with injuries so I basically changed my training for a couple of months. Instead of my usual warm ups and 1 heavy working set I lowered the weights and increased my volume. My new working sets were essentially my old last warm up sets but I would usually do 3 working sets with that weight. I stopped going to complete failure and basically stopped going too crazy. It resulted in some minor injuries improving and me having more energy away from the gym. In addition to that I also incorporated some BPC-157 and TB-500 and it has helped a lot.

Moving forward I am pushing everything again so I am back to my hard and heavy lifting. This time I am using heavy working sets and certain techniques to create more effective reps in a short time period so basically more drop sets and supersets.

I write detailed posts but my ways couldn't be more simple. I don't get lost in the details but I am too carefree so if I want to really transform over the next few months I need to be more regimented. I said to myself inject EOD but that changed to E3D's then it was twice per week then I wouldn't inject for 2 weeks at a time but now I am back on plan. I was using 300mg test e and 270mg deca twice weekly but I have changed things. I have just started 1.5ml (450mg test e) and 0.5ml (150mg deca every 3 days. I wasn't using any AI's for months on blast and cruise so I am now using 20mg every injection day but that will be increased over time.

I probably shouldn't have but I wanted to add something that would give an instant impact so I went with sdrol. I dosed 10mg twice preworkout then had an off day and tried 20mg pre workout. The pumps were as good as the very first time I used insulin. I did feel like crap when I woke up the next day but I have used 20mg 3 days running now (training days) and I feel much better. Moving forward I will take 10mg on off days and 20mg pre workout.

Synthetine and syntheselen are being dosed at 2.5ml and 1ml preworkout so it fits in a 3ml syringe and I love that combo. If I am going to use insulin it will be 5iu humalog preworkout or 15iu humalog post workout because of my current macros at those times. I don't like to use much slin preworkout but post I am fine pushing the dose higher as I have 150g carbs in my post workout meal so it's easily covered. I have only injected insulin once recently but will add it in more moving forward.

My food is usually clean it's just in my bad periods I don't eat much. I want to start dieting on the most calories possible so I am actively pushing calories up over the next few weeks. Granted it's not ideal but I go away in July so I want to look good for that because I am single. I am not bothered about being ripped I just don't want to be loaded up with food so I will come back down slightly to tighten up. I do this for fun so don't usually have dates to aim towards so that can give me something to aim at.

The plan is just to mutate over the next few weeks. Get as big and full as possible so quite simple then I will come back down so I don't have a giant gut on the beach

Today was PUSH day and looked like...

DB Lateral Raises... 1 working drop set with 3 drops in weight.
Machine Shoulder Press... 2 working sets.
Pec Deck... 1 working drop set with 3 drops in weight.
DB Chest Press... 2 working sets.
Close Grip Bench Press... 1 working set.
Skull Crushers... 1 working set.
Unilateral Tri-cep Pushdowns... 1 working set for each side.
Stretches.

85% dark chocolate, walnuts and raspberries with coffee.
5% beef mince, mixed peppers and jasmine rice.
Synthepure, dragon fruit, pineapple, blueberries, chia seeds, oats, spinach and almond milk.
2.5ml synthetine and 1 syntheselen.
INTRA (3 scoops of EAA's, 80g HBCD's and 10g glutamine).
Chicken breast, jasmine rice and honey.
5% beef mince, mixed peppers and wholegrain rice.
Cottage Cheese and 10 Ryvita crispbreads with cream cheese

That last meal is definitely not the norm but it tasted great The 1st "meal" was just a snack because I wasn't hungry due to the sdrol the night before. I have been having dark chocolate and coffee most mornings for awhile now. I will continue that but will try and get that 1st meal in soon after (within 30 mins) moving forward to allow more time for more meals. Let the fun begin

 

[bigzzz]

Good to hear from you man! Still on HGH as well?

 

[Brock456]

I appreciate this post and I am sorry it has taken this long for me to reply. I haven't updated this thread since last year. I wanted to start when I knew I could give 100%. For months I said to myself I will update my log tonight and I never did. Now it's time

Over the last 6 months I had various things to deal with. I haven't missed a single workout in all this time. I have missed plenty of shots and I have had days of minimal food but training is always on point for me because it's my passion.

I will go over a few things I think are important. I had issues with injuries so I basically changed my training for a couple of months. Instead of my usual warm ups and 1 heavy working set I lowered the weights and increased my volume. My new working sets were essentially my old last warm up sets but I would usually do 3 working sets with that weight. I stopped going to complete failure and basically stopped going too crazy. It resulted in some minor injuries improving and me having more energy away from the gym. In addition to that I also incorporated some BPC-157 and TB-500 and it has helped a lot.

Moving forward I am pushing everything again so I am back to my hard and heavy lifting. This time I am using heavy working sets and certain techniques to create more effective reps in a short time period so basically more drop sets and supersets.

I write detailed posts but my ways couldn't be more simple. I don't get lost in the details but I am too carefree so if I want to really transform over the next few months I need to be more regimented. I said to myself inject EOD but that changed to E3D's then it was twice per week then I wouldn't inject for 2 weeks at a time but now I am back on plan. I was using 300mg test e and 270mg deca twice weekly but I have changed things. I have just started 1.5ml (450mg test e) and 0.5ml (150mg deca every 3 days. I wasn't using any AI's for months on blast and cruise so I am now using 20mg every injection day but that will be increased over time.

I probably shouldn't have but I wanted to add something that would give an instant impact so I went with sdrol. I dosed 10mg twice preworkout then had an off day and tried 20mg pre workout. The pumps were as good as the very first time I used insulin. I did feel like crap when I woke up the next day but I have used 20mg 3 days running now (training days) and I feel much better. Moving forward I will take 10mg on off days and 20mg pre workout.

Synthetine and syntheselen are being dosed at 2.5ml and 1ml preworkout so it fits in a 3ml syringe and I love that combo. If I am going to use insulin it will be 5iu humalog preworkout or 15iu humalog post workout because of my current macros at those times. I don't like to use much slin preworkout but post I am fine pushing the dose higher as I have 150g carbs in my post workout meal so it's easily covered. I have only injected insulin once recently but will add it in more moving forward.

My food is usually clean it's just in my bad periods I don't eat much. I want to start dieting on the most calories possible so I am actively pushing calories up over the next few weeks. Granted it's not ideal but I go away in July so I want to look good for that because I am single. I am not bothered about being ripped I just don't want to be loaded up with food so I will come back down slightly to tighten up. I do this for fun so don't usually have dates to aim towards so that can give me something to aim at.

The plan is just to mutate over the next few weeks. Get as big and full as possible so quite simple then I will come back down so I don't have a giant gut on the beach

Today was PUSH day and looked like...

DB Lateral Raises... 1 working drop set with 3 drops in weight.
Machine Shoulder Press... 2 working sets.
Pec Deck... 1 working drop set with 3 drops in weight.
DB Chest Press... 2 working sets.
Close Grip Bench Press... 1 working set.
Skull Crushers... 1 working set.
Unilateral Tri-cep Pushdowns... 1 working set for each side.
Stretches.

85% dark chocolate, walnuts and raspberries with coffee.
5% beef mince, mixed peppers and jasmine rice.
Synthepure, dragon fruit, pineapple, blueberries, chia seeds, oats, spinach and almond milk.
2.5ml synthetine and 1 syntheselen.
INTRA (3 scoops of EAA's, 80g HBCD's and 10g glutamine).
Chicken breast, jasmine rice and honey.
5% beef mince, mixed peppers and wholegrain rice.
Cottage Cheese and 10 Ryvita crispbreads with cream cheese

That last meal is definitely not the norm but it tasted great The 1st "meal" was just a snack because I wasn't hungry due to the sdrol the night before. I have been having dark chocolate and coffee most mornings for awhile now. I will continue that but will try and get that 1st meal in soon after (within 30 mins) moving forward to allow more time for more meals. Let the fun begin

What were you using the TB and BPC for? What specific injuries? And how did you dose?

As I mentioned in other thread, I’m having knee issues.