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My goal is now to loose fat and I started water fast along with clen. So I have now been fasting a total of 8 days and drank only water, green tea and recently little bit coconut water (to get some potassium because it was very low, propably because of clen). Protein has been zero except after gym/resistance training I took one time 40g of casein because I felt muscle protein breakdown was too much unopposed (prolonged muscle pain).
My plan is to continue fasting maybe 1-2 days more or maybe one week more. I have previously fasted 21 days only on water and that was little bit too much regarding muscle loss.
On the other hand, in my experience body supercompensates muscle building processes after fast (greatly decreased myostatin, mTor overdrive etc.) and fat loss continues to be very high when you start eating again; body is very sensitive to nutrients and consequently muscle/lean tissue protein accrual/building will be very high and will use practically all energy and nutrients you eat. I have also muscle memory as I have long training history (allmost 20 years) and weight has been at max. over 110-115kg or 240-250lbs.
I take niacin 1,5g+arginine+lysine+some propranolol&bisoprolol before bed to temporarily inhibit fat loss and increase growth hormone levels during night. Then again morning/day I use this adrenergic stimulus to burn those fats released and this has been working very well. Fat is melting daily. Also muscle loss is very minimal; I walk a lot and try to do some resistance training 2-3 days a week to keep muscle anabolic signalling as high as possible and so muscle loss as minimal as possible. I use also testosterone little more than trt dose.
I was thinking about adding t3 but I think that it might start to burn too much muscles and lean tissue as during prolonged fast body automatically makes more reverse t3 to inhibit muscle breakdown.
I cannot get growth hormone. I might get Mk-677. But that would also inhibit fat loss a little bit. Peptides I cannot get at this time. On the other hand, during fasting growth hormone anyways go to as high as to be equal to at least 4-6IU of growth hormone and with niacin it should be more close to 8-10IU. At least synthetic GH at dose 12IU will hit max. Value of about 30ng/ml and IM dose of 30IU will hit 60ng/ml and niacin even without fasting can create a spike of 20-25ng/ml and during fast that would be even higher (that was measured in fed state). So that increased growth hormone secretion + ketone bhb very well preserve muscle mass in my experience (and according to studies) during fast so maybe extra growth hormone on top of that would not be a much of benefit as there should be plenty of it allready.
Greentea also should protect muscle tissue and increase fat loss. I drink it a lot and use extracts. I also use high dose vitamin c and many other herbals with supposed benefits to protecting muscles too.
Anyway, do you have some supplement (or other) suggestions how to maximize fat loss and minimize muscle loss even more with this clen and fasting without taxing kidneys&liver too much? Should I maybe increase test dose even more? My goal is to first burn fat off to a level 5-8% and after that I will build back lost muscle + some more with test, anavar and dbol. I am hesitant to add dbol and anavar now during fast as liver and kidneys are allready stressed and glutathione levels propably low even though I eat NAC, TMG and other supps that help liver.
But maybe adding more testosterone could inhibit muscle loss even more and enchance fat loss without stressing too much internal organs? Any other things that I might consider?
Thank you for possible answers and suggestions.
My plan is to continue fasting maybe 1-2 days more or maybe one week more. I have previously fasted 21 days only on water and that was little bit too much regarding muscle loss.
On the other hand, in my experience body supercompensates muscle building processes after fast (greatly decreased myostatin, mTor overdrive etc.) and fat loss continues to be very high when you start eating again; body is very sensitive to nutrients and consequently muscle/lean tissue protein accrual/building will be very high and will use practically all energy and nutrients you eat. I have also muscle memory as I have long training history (allmost 20 years) and weight has been at max. over 110-115kg or 240-250lbs.
I take niacin 1,5g+arginine+lysine+some propranolol&bisoprolol before bed to temporarily inhibit fat loss and increase growth hormone levels during night. Then again morning/day I use this adrenergic stimulus to burn those fats released and this has been working very well. Fat is melting daily. Also muscle loss is very minimal; I walk a lot and try to do some resistance training 2-3 days a week to keep muscle anabolic signalling as high as possible and so muscle loss as minimal as possible. I use also testosterone little more than trt dose.
I was thinking about adding t3 but I think that it might start to burn too much muscles and lean tissue as during prolonged fast body automatically makes more reverse t3 to inhibit muscle breakdown.
I cannot get growth hormone. I might get Mk-677. But that would also inhibit fat loss a little bit. Peptides I cannot get at this time. On the other hand, during fasting growth hormone anyways go to as high as to be equal to at least 4-6IU of growth hormone and with niacin it should be more close to 8-10IU. At least synthetic GH at dose 12IU will hit max. Value of about 30ng/ml and IM dose of 30IU will hit 60ng/ml and niacin even without fasting can create a spike of 20-25ng/ml and during fast that would be even higher (that was measured in fed state). So that increased growth hormone secretion + ketone bhb very well preserve muscle mass in my experience (and according to studies) during fast so maybe extra growth hormone on top of that would not be a much of benefit as there should be plenty of it allready.
Greentea also should protect muscle tissue and increase fat loss. I drink it a lot and use extracts. I also use high dose vitamin c and many other herbals with supposed benefits to protecting muscles too.
Anyway, do you have some supplement (or other) suggestions how to maximize fat loss and minimize muscle loss even more with this clen and fasting without taxing kidneys&liver too much? Should I maybe increase test dose even more? My goal is to first burn fat off to a level 5-8% and after that I will build back lost muscle + some more with test, anavar and dbol. I am hesitant to add dbol and anavar now during fast as liver and kidneys are allready stressed and glutathione levels propably low even though I eat NAC, TMG and other supps that help liver.
But maybe adding more testosterone could inhibit muscle loss even more and enchance fat loss without stressing too much internal organs? Any other things that I might consider?
Thank you for possible answers and suggestions.